Counter Strike Confederation

2:03 PM

being part of csc for 4 full seasons now, I think I have a good idea of what will have a good/bad impact on the league as far as rules goes. I've wanted to be in a position to help csc in a staff role of some sort for a while now, and rules committee seems a much more workable time commitment compared to other positions.

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Is there anything off the top of your head that you would work on immediately?

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@FA | ZyraReflex so you're in here

PFA | yeti2

@FA | ZyraReflex so you're in here

relevant discussion/questions only in this channel please

ATO | Assass1n

Is there anything off the top of your head that you would work on immediately?

eating dinner, will respond soon sorry

FA | ZyraReflex

relevant discussion/questions only in this channel please

he did it so you are in the thread. it doesnt put you into it automatically but pinging will

I was already in here, I'm a responsible individual

ATO | Assass1n

Is there anything off the top of your head that you would work on immediately?

so a couple of the things I'm going to mention here have been mentioned already (although I can back up the fact that u4euh and I talked about the PFA/FA thing a bit ago) I think establishing consistency with those sub rules is one of the first things we should look at that may have substantial impact. I think, like N1 mentioned, a small restructuring of the rulebook is in order; a glossary of terms should be one of the first things that someone sees when opening the document, and sections/subsections are a bit of a mess in terms of overlap/consistency in phrasing/general organization stuff. a good example would be that 2.5 and 2.6 could basically be eliminated and put into a glossary. in other cases, rules could easily be merged for brevity's sake (e.g. 4.3.2, 4.3.3). I generally think there's a lot that could be simplified with the csc rulebook at the moment- most people don't even bother reading it at this point. (table of contents would also be great) (edited)

4:33 PM

another example of rules that... don't need to be written like this

Given your tenuous history with the behavior rules/guidelines, why do you feel qualified to be on a governing body for league rules?

4:59 PM

@PFA | yeti2 do you mind reposting my question as Zyra has me blocked

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Well given Zyra has you blocked I would probably respect his decision and not go around that (edited)

5:02 PM

Someone else can ask the same question if they are interested I suppose

I also would like to add that Behavioral Guidelines are not constituted under Rules Committee (with the exception relating to the portion under leaks) I am not sure this question is necessarily appropriate. This isnt someone that would be making sole decisions on behalf of the league, this is someone that will be participating in the larger body of Rules Committee staff. (edited)

scraps

I also would like to add that Behavioral Guidelines are not constituted under Rules Committee (with the exception relating to the portion under leaks) I am not sure this question is necessarily appropriate. This isnt someone that would be making sole decisions on behalf of the league, this is someone that will be participating in the larger body of Rules Committee staff. (edited)

I ask more under the presumption that somebody who cannot follow rules should not make rules

5:04 PM

For the same reason many detested Fyz being on RC

it also seems you are using the second part of that to show that he has you blocked potentially swaying a vote

It’s not meant to be malicious or an attack. I genuinely feel that if someone has shown and inability to follow behavior rules, they shouldn’t be put in a place to vote on league rules

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5:19 PM

And I’d like to know why he feels that isn’t an issue

UPS | Raasck

For the same reason many detested Fyz being on RC

I resent the comparison to fyz. I've proven that I can follow the guidelines; I haven't received any warnings in nearly 5 months. with respect to the whole "rule breakers shouldn't make rules," I think a large problem in csc (historically, at least) has been the opacity and vagueness regarding things like behavior guidelines (which is why I applied to other, more relevant staff positions in the past). (edited)

UPS | Raasck

It’s not meant to be malicious or an attack. I genuinely feel that if someone has shown and inability to follow behavior rules, they shouldn’t be put in a place to vote on league rules

I also think you and I both know very well why I do consider this (coming from you, specifically) malicious.

scraps

I also would like to add that Behavioral Guidelines are not constituted under Rules Committee (with the exception relating to the portion under leaks) I am not sure this question is necessarily appropriate. This isnt someone that would be making sole decisions on behalf of the league, this is someone that will be participating in the larger body of Rules Committee staff. (edited)

also this

I appreciate your answer. I didn’t mean to compare you directly to Fyz as his case was in relation to a staff ban. I do agree you’ve proven you can go an extended period without getting struck/muted. Thank you for your time and answer

+rep Zyra, this guy has been here a long time and I'm sure has been over the rules more than most, would love to see this guy finally get a chance to come on and help CSC for the better

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Why should I vote for you over the other 4 candidates?

the short answer is that I've been around in csc the longest out of the candidates and I feel I have a pretty thorough understanding of the rules from a player's perspective. people might be discouraged by my sometimes contrarian or difficult behavior in public chats, but I'm plenty cooperative and conversational in a committee setting. I'm more than willing to hear others out and make concessions/compromises, but I'm also able to make my opinions known (in a constructive way) when I feel strongly about something.

Cash mentioned in Chels' question that the committee met very seldom over the course of the last season. In your initial answer, you mentioned that you had time restraints. Would your schedule allow for more meeting times for the committee to meet and work? What experiences or skills do you think you possess that you think would help aid a rules committee. I will be blunt, in the past I've heard that you have been difficult and hard to work with. I believe that contrarian opinions can help in a committee environment. But, I would like you to articulate why you think you have it within yourself to do so.

Do you think your reputation as someone that can be difficult to get along with would hinder your ability to accurately represent player opinions?

11:52 AM

Also I just realized pecan essentially asked the same thing so my bad

hey no more please, Im deleteing this whole convo

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3:34 PM

and can you guys stop attacking zyra please

I'll delete my message too since it just looks strange now

Any ideas on how you would handle a situation where you had a different opinion than the rest of the committee on a decision? How much debate should you insist on having until you defer to the majority?

pecan50 🏆🏆

Cash mentioned in Chels' question that the committee met very seldom over the course of the last season. In your initial answer, you mentioned that you had time restraints. Would your schedule allow for more meeting times for the committee to meet and work? What experiences or skills do you think you possess that you think would help aid a rules committee. I will be blunt, in the past I've heard that you have been difficult and hard to work with. I believe that contrarian opinions can help in a committee environment. But, I would like you to articulate why you think you have it within yourself to do so.

Short answers: -I'm confident that my schedule will not interfere with Rules committee business. -I work well with others in a group setting. While working with other goal-oriented people I am very open to constructive discussion. Better answers: I actually have a relatively open schedule, so regular meetings or whatever wouldn't be an issue for me. My concerns about my schedule were mostly regarding the time commitment for positions like mod committee. I figured working on Rules would let me make that positive impact without worrying about external things preventing me from fulfilling my duties to the best of my abilities. In settings where there is some end goal/collaborative work being done I'm entirely open to others' solutions/opinions (including, and sometimes especially, if they differ from my own). To give one example, you could ask my most recent team (likely my other two teams before that, too, but I'd argue recency is most important). While I wouldn't say I like to play devil's advocate, I think a healthy debate leads to a better outcome overall. Sometimes people mistake this for me being a contrarian, or necessarily disagreeing strongly with someone else, but it's my view that opinions left unchallenged are often not the best versions of themselves (mine included, obviously).

4:42 PM

@PFA | drummerboy please read through that and let me know if any part of your question is still unanswered

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I think that answers most of it! Thanks.

PFA | drummerboy

Any ideas on how you would handle a situation where you had a different opinion than the rest of the committee on a decision? How much debate should you insist on having until you defer to the majority?

I decided I'd answer it individually and then forgot to paste it here: if I disagree with the rest of the committee on an issue, I think I'd try to encourage continued discussion until the disagreements are either resolved or irreconcilable (e.g. if I present my arguments and nobody wavers I'll probably just drop it there).

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That was the remaining portion i was interested in

5:19 PM

Thanks lol.