Counter Strike Confederation

12:37 AM

Why would you like to join the Arbiter Committee? I would like to join the arbiter committee to ensure fairness in strikes and punishments given to players.

12:37 AM

What prior experience do you have, if any, do you think is relevant for this position?

I have very good people skills and can communicate my ideas and juxtaposition to proposals with ease. I am very open minded and like to see the truth behind the shadows. I have experience managing punishments in the form of working at a glow in the dark golf club managing who is on the course, with a certain maximum capacity, I took care of rowdy and unlawful customers that did not follow course rules.

12:38 AM

Staff Nominator: self nominated (edited)

@HG | PUMPKINSPICELATTE 🏆

What do you think the most difficult part of being an arbiter will be for you?

What exactly do you think you can bring as an arbiter that others don't?

Response time is a common staff complaint. What do you think is a reasonable response time for a case that gets to your role, and do you believe there could be systems put into place that could expedite the process while still maintaining fairness and consistency?

scraps

Staff Nominator: self nominated (edited)

I'm pretty sure I nominated myself

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TFR | 42Firehawk

What do you think the most difficult part of being an arbiter will be for you?

I don't know maybe feeling bad for somebody instead of being more objective about the rules

ATO | Assass1n

What exactly do you think you can bring as an arbiter that others don't?

Probably the ability to respond to anything really fast

COW | Saunce

Response time is a common staff complaint. What do you think is a reasonable response time for a case that gets to your role, and do you believe there could be systems put into place that could expedite the process while still maintaining fairness and consistency?

Once the evidence is in it should be able to be handled in 24 hours. When people are punished day of a match, it may require a faster response time. And for your last point, I don't really know of any system other than forcing arbiters to take action quickly or be removed and I don't know if people actually want that

HG | PUMPKINSPICELATTE 🏆

I'm pretty sure I nominated myself

fixed - sorry read the wrong part of the sheet

scraps

fixed - sorry read the wrong part of the sheet

Np

HG | PUMPKINSPICELATTE 🏆

Once the evidence is in it should be able to be handled in 24 hours. When people are punished day of a match, it may require a faster response time. And for your last point, I don't really know of any system other than forcing arbiters to take action quickly or be removed and I don't know if people actually want that

I appreciate your response. In hindsight, part 2 is a bit unfair of a question since most are probably not returning members and a new system implemented would probably be more at the discretion of head arbiter. Systems was definitely improper. Practices would have probably been a more appropriate term to use. A self imposed goal of a 24 hour deadline is a good practice and your mindfulness that issues taking place on match day may need to be addressed even faster is definitely noted. I'm sure players and GMs would definitely appreciate that approach. Best of luck!

what are some arbitration rules/duties that you would change? what are some examples of well placed rules/duties, and why?

PFA | diesWithoutGrace

what are some arbitration rules/duties that you would change? what are some examples of well placed rules/duties, and why?

Lol you said duty

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PFA | diesWithoutGrace

what are some arbitration rules/duties that you would change? what are some examples of well placed rules/duties, and why?

To me, you just asked 4 questions so lemme take a crack at them. These are a bit hard to answer because it's kind of like asking what would you change about the secret counsel you haven't been on. Arbiters need to fully understand the rules and issue their judgments fairly, impartially, and quickly. This is not a rules committee position so changing rules is out of scope parrot

yes ofc, but suggestions are always open

11:21 AM

i was meaning in the arbiter handbook, sorry i should have included that

Oic

PFA | diesWithoutGrace

i was meaning in the arbiter handbook, sorry i should have included that

I think there should probably be a backup head arbiter in the case where the head arbiter has a conflict of interest

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11:31 AM

Also, section 4 could have some time delay. Like for instance, if supreme was in arbiter would he need to recuse himself Because I was on his team in season 5 like 2 years ago?

i believe that the timeline is the current season, but good spot.

While you may be able to respond quickly, do you think you would be able to get your fellow arbiters to respond with the same speed? (edited)

ATO | Assass1n

While you may be able to respond quickly, do you think you would be able to get your fellow arbiters to respond with the same speed? (edited)

I mean.... No? Having a response in there may help things along, and I can ping slow people but I don't think I realistically have any power for that

reviving the thread.

Do you believe that most cases should looked at with "did they break the rule Y/N" or do you think the context as to why something was done matters?

ATO | Assass1n

Do you believe that most cases should looked at with "did they break the rule Y/N" or do you think the context as to why something was done matters?

Well... if they didn't break the rule, you should almost certainly overturn the ruling, right? That is pretty cut and dry. Some rules are up to interpretation by the mods, for instance "Excessively spamming text chat with text or reactions". What exactly constitutes excessive spam? Some rules are up to mod discretion, and I don't see myself overturning those as it would be circumventing the mod's judgement. Maybe some additional context would change something but that is unlikely i think.

10:04 PM

If someone does admit to breaking some rule but some kind of context makes it ok...... I'd imagine that'd be a no from me dawg. But I can't think of every hypothetical, so it might happen. But for me personally, it would be hard to convince me to overturn or change.

10:06 PM

for instance, if someone is arguing that a particular gif is not explicit but the mods punished for posting explicit content.... unless mod made a clear mistake, its not getting overturned

As an arbiter there are 3 different types of cases that are commonly dealt with. The first being an appeal where the person making said appeal is purely attempting to have an area to complain to the staff about their case, while having broken the rule and making no attempt to argue against that fact. The second being an appeal where the case isn't about the evidence, but rather that the evidence presented being across the line or not. (i.e. was the message sent political argument in bad faith or not, or other method where the evidence may not break the guidelines). The third being an appeal where the evidence may or may not prove sufficiently that the appellant committed the act (A case where the question isn't if the act broke the rules, but if the evidence is enough to prove the rules were broken.) Which of these cases do you think you'd have the most issue taking part in personally?

TFR | 42Firehawk

As an arbiter there are 3 different types of cases that are commonly dealt with. The first being an appeal where the person making said appeal is purely attempting to have an area to complain to the staff about their case, while having broken the rule and making no attempt to argue against that fact. The second being an appeal where the case isn't about the evidence, but rather that the evidence presented being across the line or not. (i.e. was the message sent political argument in bad faith or not, or other method where the evidence may not break the guidelines). The third being an appeal where the evidence may or may not prove sufficiently that the appellant committed the act (A case where the question isn't if the act broke the rules, but if the evidence is enough to prove the rules were broken.) Which of these cases do you think you'd have the most issue taking part in personally?

welcome to 2 am response game. first case: boring af. denied second case: to clarify, it sounds like they don't contest the evidence, but their argument is that the evidence "isn't enough" to warrant a punishment. TBH this is a bit hard to think about without a real case at hand. I'll say that if some evidence only implies a rule break, it is probably not enough. third case: now that I'm reading case 3, im not sure i see the difference in 2 vs 3. Whats going on? Maybe I will say that just an implication of breaking the rules is not enough is enough of a response. idk.

3:07 AM

For your final question, Which of these cases do you think you'd have the most issue taking part in personally?, i guess it'd be 2/3 cause those seem super similar and 1 is trivial

2 is the evidence clearly shows the appellant did X thing they were struck for, but the appellant disagrees that that thing is against the rule they were struck on 3 is the appellant agrees that the thing accused of is against the rules, but disagrees that the evidence shows they did said thing

ok so 3 is harder.

3:09 AM

im imagining a he-said she-said situation where there is no solid evidence. for instance, someone saying something against the rules during a 10 mans

3:10 AM

2 is pretty easy. since they agree with the evidence. then the question is just about the rules

3:10 AM

@TFR | 42Firehawk about how many cases / week do arbiters get?

From my brief talk with Gindeht, varies but more early season

It's not really a normal rate, usually 1 a week, sometimes a burst of 3 come in though.

TBH I'd be interested in hearing from mods how things like being rude in VC are handled, since there is no real evidence

3:13 AM

i mean, someone said something a bit rude in a vc i was literally just in

3:13 AM

i don't think anyone gonna report it so it goes into the void

3:13 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If something like that happens, forward it to mods along with any evidence you have (like who else was in VC)

i guess corroboration is a good bit of evidenc

3:14 AM

im gonna randomly add that while overall response time is important, sometimes it is important to handle a case the same day when someone could be forced to sit out.

If it gets reported, we will look into who/what happened.

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9:19 AM

If theres no evidence we cant do much but it depends on the person

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