Counter Strike Confederation - s9-admin-election

Hello everyone! This is the Season 9 Admin Election Discussion channel. This channel (and connected threads) will be made available until about 4PM EST on Friday when we open voting. Please use the threads to ask candidates questions, even if it is the same question for each candidate. This helps to keep things organized as well as makes it much easier for each of our candidates to be able to keep track of what questions they have being asked to them. As a reminder, you must have participated in Season 8 as a player (signed, FA, PFA) or was a staff member during Season 8 to be eligible to vote, but anyone is eligible to participate in asking questions to the candidates. Please keep these channels on topic and avoid posting any memes/gifs. These channels are meant to be serious and mods/admins will deny individual people the ability to participate in discussions if the channel starts getting abused. I would also like to note that Admin Candidates are not able to promise anything if they get elected as Admin, as we have internal voting for changes to the league/server that require 5 Admins to be involved in Our @Backer Pool consisted of 20 former admins, GMs, and Committee Heads. Dibes (GM), Draxxs (Former Admin), Hermit (GM), Synky (GM), Veral (Former Admin), yetif (CH - Stats), CMK (GM), Aybaer (GM), Firehawk (CH - Media), Supreme (GM), yeldniL (CH - Events), Homer (CH - Numbers), Spence (Former Admin), Gindeht (GM), Jermz (GM), Nightfury (CH - Tech), Dr. Freeman (GM), TNoodle (Former Admin), Anexilia (GM), xNolan (Former Admin) (edited)

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If you have any questions regarding anything to do with the Admin Election, please head over to #general, #league-discussion, or even #help.

9:40 PM

Time to meet your candidates!

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9:45 PM

@AVI | Fuffy 🏆

9:52 PM

@step bro 🏆 🏆

@OS | Cash 🏆

@SANTATRONIC 🏆

10:22 PM

@crudestpack

10:27 PM

@HG | andrew 🏆

scraps pinned a message to this channel. 8/10/2022 10:34 PM

I think we should elect crudest

really?

10:40 PM

thanks

I’m confident in his ability to make decisions on the fly and solve controversial issues without added drama

10:41 PM

Absolutely

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Is there a list of total backers somewhere?

Dibes (GM), Draxxs (Former Admin), Hermit (GM), Synky (GM), Veral (Former Admin), yetif (CH - Stats), CMK (GM), Aybaer (GM), Firehawk (CH - Media), Supreme (GM), yeldniL (CH - Events), Homer (CH - Numbers), Spence (Former Admin), Gindeht (GM), Jermz (GM), Nightfury (CH - Tech), Dr. Freeman (GM), TNoodle (Former Admin), Anexilia (GM), xNolan (Former Admin) (edited)

ty

scraps puttin in the WORK to add all our resumes

10:59 PM

@FA | kowalskey 🏆🏆 5 tiers is something that will be decided by numbers, not by admins *just as a clarification

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scraps

@FA | kowalskey 🏆🏆 5 tiers is something that will be decided by numbers, not by admins *just as a clarification

ye aight

scraps

Dibes (GM), Draxxs (Former Admin), Hermit (GM), Synky (GM), Veral (Former Admin), yetif (CH - Stats), CMK (GM), Aybaer (GM), Firehawk (CH - Media), Supreme (GM), yeldniL (CH - Events), Homer (CH - Numbers), Spence (Former Admin), Gindeht (GM), Jermz (GM), Nightfury (CH - Tech), Dr. Freeman (GM), TNoodle (Former Admin), Anexilia (GM), xNolan (Former Admin) (edited)

i edited this list into the pinned portion

11:05 PM

homer rn

FA | kowalskey 🏆🏆

ye aight

Bro prize pools will never happen and literally go against the fundamentals of the existence of CSC

yeah I actually like the casual/competitive vibe, prize pools would probs just make it competitive

11:06 PM

also more chances to have people cheat or act maliciously if there is something to gain

11:06 PM

less likely to happen if we are all just being clout goblins

Picture of CSC prize pool:

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That prize pool has caused way too much drama already lol

HG | PUMPKINSPICELATTE 🏆

Picture of CSC prize pool:

freeman following in admin footsteps and leaking

My question for admin candidates is how do you plan on changing the perception of the admin role? I think alot of the community has a negative view, and I would love to see more staff appreciation in our community. I understand that shouldn't entirely be your responsibility, but if you have anything yall would be interested in doing about it, feel free to share :)

#leekpeek

AVI | Ch1lled_Pyro

My question for admin candidates is how do you plan on changing the perception of the admin role? I think alot of the community has a negative view, and I would love to see more staff appreciation in our community. I understand that shouldn't entirely be your responsibility, but if you have anything yall would be interested in doing about it, feel free to share :)

best to paste this in all 12 6 threads (edited)

op

11:09 PM

I am not tech savvy

theres 12 threads?! MonkaS

can I get a quick guide?

12? But yea if you want to ask admins questions just put it into each admin thread

ok the threads button at the top?

AVI | Ch1lled_Pyro

ok the threads button at the top?

yes

11:10 PM

the active threads are the names of the current candidates

11:10 PM

Any question to them is to go individually into each thread for organizations sake

ok I think I got it

yep i see your question in my thread

discord is a beautiful machine

11:10 PM

thanks for the help

:)

I second electing crudest. he was amazing with my appeal process and I couldn't have asked for a better head mod during that time. If a fourth of that dedication transfers to his role as admin, he would still be an amazing choice

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people come ask me stuff

11:31 PM

<3

11:31 PM

Im very around right now

OS | Cash 🏆

Im very around right now

this. super ironic when you ask a question and a potential admin takes hours to answer.

PFA | Crispy

I second electing crudest. he was amazing with my appeal process and I couldn't have asked for a better head mod during that time. If a fourth of that dedication transfers to his role as admin, he would still be an amazing choice

thanks man

no, thank you

PFA | Crispy

this. super ironic when you ask a question and a potential admin takes hours to answer.

Some people do have work tomorrow and the threads went up kinda late. Step Bro also works night shift so he’s likely working rn and waiting for his break to answer

I understand. but it is known that people would be asking questions tonight

i don't work tomorrow

vote for me

x "I'm on vacation" Nolan

PFA | Crispy

I understand. but it is known that people would be asking questions tonight

And that doesn’t change that people have to be up in the morning for work or quite literally at work

crudestpack

i don't work tomorrow

vote for me

I dont work tommorow either :P

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11:51 PM

very much I think the posts were pretty late at night and I dont expect people to be up and sacrifice their sleep

11:51 PM

that being said

11:51 PM

I dont sleep until like 4 am

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Assuming it's an unpaid position, I wouldn't expect anyone to take off work for this or to even answer admin duties while at work. That being said if I see an admin joking around in general, I'd expect them to at least acknowledge whatever situation was put in front of them

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COW | Saunce

Assuming it's an unpaid position, I wouldn't expect anyone to take off work for this or to even answer admin duties while at work. That being said if I see an admin joking around in general, I'd expect them to at least acknowledge whatever situation was put in front of them

Yeah everything in CSC is fully volunteer

Except Scraps

11:52 PM

We force her to be here

some people have to pay to be here

no one saw

11:53 PM

try again

nah its not the place for that kekw

i saw

11:53 PM

i see everything

11:53 PM

alright back to actual discussions aPES_Laugh

COW | Saunce

Assuming it's an unpaid position, I wouldn't expect anyone to take off work for this or to even answer admin duties while at work. That being said if I see an admin joking around in general, I'd expect them to at least acknowledge whatever situation was put in front of them

yes no one should be required of anything if theyre volunteering for the position but applying to the position and running means that you are offering to dedicate time and answer peoples questions as an admin

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11:54 PM

you have chosen to take on the time commitment

yeah but its literally midnight and people have work in the morinng

yes so within reason admins need to be around to answer questions

nearly midnight? thats steps music!

now is not within reason

Candidates will be answering questions as they have time! Fuffy specifically only has certain times he will be available as he is out of town leading a camp and some of our other candidates will be available tomorrow during the day.

11:58 PM

Discussions are open until Friday so there is plenty of time to get responses :)

woah

12:31 AM

admin abuse

?

You still have access to threads for now

12:33 AM

yeah we know

ITS FUNNY

12:33 AM

come on

yes but not in the threads

12:33 AM

go say it in general

anyone running on comrad best free agent pickup?

UPS | ComradSniper 🏆🏆

anyone running on comrad best free agent pickup?

i can back this as a person who lost to you

@YC | ChelsBells your 1 & 2 have already been asked

8:44 AM

And 3 has been more or less as well

yeah @YC | ChelsBells, not sure if you want me to respond. let me know if you want me to repeat

sorry then

no worries

8:45 AM

i wouldn't expect just about anyone to read EVERYTHING maybe just @UPS | Raasck

YC | ChelsBells

sorry then

would you like me to respond, i will if you want

8:46 AM

ope, just saw u deleted. nvm

step bro 🏆 🏆

i wouldn't expect just about anyone to read EVERYTHING maybe just @UPS | Raasck

I was just letting him know the answers were there if he scrolled up

YC | ChelsBells

sorry then

(Wasn’t meant as snark or anything, was genuinely just letting you know they’d be answered above in all the threads except Fuffy)

UPS | Raasck

I was just letting him know the answers were there if he scrolled up

o i know i was messin saying that you are the only one crazy enough to read all the messages in all the threads

I have a question about how xNolan can be in the backer pool if he was supposed to be removed from admin,??

8:49 AM

or stepped down to avoid being removed

i didnt read the entire threads so didnt see my qs were already asked. deleted since my qs were already asked, so ig no point in repeating

YC | ChelsBells

i didnt read the entire threads so didnt see my qs were already asked. deleted since my qs were already asked, so ig no point in repeating

theyre good questions regardless pepeHeart

BS | SABRiNA++ 🏆

I have a question about how xNolan can be in the backer pool if he was supposed to be removed from admin,??

All former admins were given a chance to join the backer pool

UPS | Raasck

All former admins were given a chance to join the backer pool

BS | SABRiNA++ 🏆

I have a question about how xNolan can be in the backer pool if he was supposed to be removed from admin,??

I believe it was an oversight and since elections had already started in some form they didnt want to take time to revote on the rule and such regardless everyone who applied had more than enough backers

8:52 AM

but I do think it will be changed for next season

That’s not for the backer pool

8:53 AM

That’s to run for admin

What part about a remote would be needed??? I know contention about the rule itself

UPS | Raasck

That’s to run for admin

Ahhhh okay my fault then

Nolan would be eligible to run for admin in season 11 I believe

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Yes since infraction occured during season 7

the infraction occurred during season 5, it just took 8 months to report it so I got removed season 7 xd

8:56 AM

but ill take my season in the backer pool cya s10

Hey gamers. I'm officially dropping out of admin elections. I feel we are on the right track with transitioning to Core & being more transparent. Will still be a part of CSC cuz I love y'all fuffy7

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AVI | Fuffy 🏆

Hey gamers. I'm officially dropping out of admin elections. I feel we are on the right track with transitioning to Core & being more transparent. Will still be a part of CSC cuz I love y'all fuffy7

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Fuffy's thread has now been officially archived

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Yooo can I take his spot

Sorry you have to many Moderation Team Awards

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+rep for intact for admin

rip fuffy

3 spots open right?

correct

thanks scraps

We clone scraps 3 times

+1

AVI | Fuffy 🏆

Hey gamers. I'm officially dropping out of admin elections. I feel we are on the right track with transitioning to Core & being more transparent. Will still be a part of CSC cuz I love y'all fuffy7

hey what does "transitioning to Core" mean? all i know about that is the bot

CORE is the discord bot, the website backend, it's basically the single backend that CSC is trying to transition over to entirely

6:11 PM

So that we don't have day to day stuff hosted in different areas (like signups, stats, etc. all in one system)

ah nice

AVI | Fuffy 🏆

Hey gamers. I'm officially dropping out of admin elections. I feel we are on the right track with transitioning to Core & being more transparent. Will still be a part of CSC cuz I love y'all fuffy7

I know I'm a little late... But I do want to say Fuffy that throughout your time in CSC you have always been one of the lights at the end of the tunnel for me and I'm sure many other members. When you joined and were casting combines in Season 5 of CSC on one of your very first nights in the league I could always tell that you were going to do great things for the league and you have thus far. That is actually one of my all time favorite CSC memories, sitting in a call with a bunch of other CSC members and its just silence besides you casting because people were in awe at how good you were. You truly have brought the production level and overall quality of CSC to the next level and I am sad to see you go from the admin position. But I think that you will also return to doing more casting for CSC which is exciting! Thank you for your time, effort, and dedication towards the league. I look forward to whatever your plans may be in the future both in CSC and in life.

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9:43 AM

Fr rip luffy

hey for a double check. people that are allowed to vote are staff, players and former players correct? (edited)

As a reminder, you must have participated in Season 8 as a player (signed, FA, PFA) or was a staff member during Season 8 to be eligible to vote, but anyone is eligible to participate in asking questions to the candidates.

kk thought so

wait does that include me? I was just AGM. dunno if that counts as staff

HG | mutant

wait does that include me? I was just AGM. dunno if that counts as staff

it should include you, but I don't know if admins will allow it

AGMs havent counted as staff

6:23 PM

which i think is goofy but that was the precedent

6:23 PM

maybe it will be different for this shrug

@Splatmonkey 🏆 will non playing AGMs count as staff?

mah suffrage

We're you active in helping with your team. Cause I mean if you were then if I feel like you are considered an active member in the community

I mean I was AGM

but did you do stuff

Not all AGMs do stuff

lol

Are agms considered staff now?

no

not by rule but it would be odd if they couldn't vote considering a lot helped run a franchise...

I did stuff

This is not a ruling* but imo if you have the league role for S8 you can vote

are there any requirements that (P)FAs need to have played a game in order to vote? Would a PFA that signed up right at the end but never played be allowed?

i think by what was posted above they would be allowed to vote

6:31 PM

As a reminder, you must have participated in Season 8 as a player (signed, FA, PFA) or was a staff member during Season 8 to be eligible to vote, but anyone is eligible to participate in asking questions to the candidates.

Even a pfa that joined end of season?

as of right now i believe so

6:32 PM

I can talk to the other admins and see if we want to set a must have been signed up by date for voting

6:36 PM

would pre-playoffs be a good place to draw the line? since they could have played in playoffs but werent needed for whatever reason

afaik nobody was processed after transaction deadlines

yep youre right just in my mind that seemed like it would be a good cutoff point

mecha's thread archived KEKW

Inactivity? (edited)

nah he packed it in

Oh wtf

yeah its been 24 hours

Oh

10:41 PM

Smh

message in it

10:42 PM

so that it doesnt dip

rest should be good

ty

10:44 PM

a lot less questions this time around compared to last season

Sorry i unarchived one of them earlier but got distracted and didnt unarchive the rest (edited)

all good it was only one

big brain cash out here.. i changed the archive time

:D

no shot the voting is 5 for 5 votes

yep

can I resubmit

yep

What is the deal with the election rigging thing?

@OS | Icarus 🏆🏆🏆 is now level 11 !

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OS | Icarus 🏆🏆🏆

What is the deal with the election rigging thing?

It was a (poorly timed) joke if you read the context around it

There were several implications that it was not a joke by @Homer 🏆🏆

im going to put this in the thread as well, as far as i now know, step was indeed joking

9:38 PM

that is still a horrific joke to make when he was justifiably struck for leaking information, something he would have much more access to as an admin

Did step bro leave the server? And if so, how does that effect elections?

Personally I think the admin election is going splendidly

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kSalty 🏆

no shot the voting is 5 for 5 votes

Lmfao ikr

AVI | Khouse1007

Did step bro leave the server? And if so, how does that effect elections?

Yes he did for his own mental health reasons

Will elections be redone? Or just his name cut off the list

I can’t speak on that, I’m sure an admin will post a notice after they have a chance to discuss

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maybe they'll also make it so choice 1 = #1 pick

kSalty 🏆

maybe they'll also make it so choice 1 = #1 pick

It’s been a confusing af system for as long as I’ve been around

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"okay everyone, fill in the circle for the candidates you DON'T want elected"

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kSalty 🏆

"okay everyone, fill in the circle for the candidates you DON'T want elected"

Bubble in the circle for who you like, but circle the circle for the ones you don’t like

It looks weird at first but its so higher totals win

for the future, could you make it such that lower totals win?

9:36 AM

I just think it's not very intuitive

yeah I think ideally we'd make it so choice #1 = 5 votes and #5 = 1 vote, so you put your favorite as #1 but its still highest votes wins

thistbh

lmao ayo this league is amazing

Bruh so I voted backwards

GM btw

I did it too

12:18 PM

Don’t worry

Messed up

12:20 PM

#StopTheCount

GAS | Stynky

Bruh so I voted backwards

You can edit it

Yea just do it again

Yuh I did

Or literally just put the explanation next to the numbers: “5 votes”, “1 vote”; or “1st choice”, “5th choice”. The whole issue is that it is too ambiguous. I don’t care how you total shit up, you could make each vote count for 17 jelly beans for all I give a shit. Just make it easier for people to understand how they are voting

OS | Icarus 🏆🏆🏆

Or literally just put the explanation next to the numbers: “5 votes”, “1 vote”; or “1st choice”, “5th choice”. The whole issue is that it is too ambiguous. I don’t care how you total shit up, you could make each vote count for 17 jelly beans for all I give a shit. Just make it easier for people to understand how they are voting

There is an explanation on the form question Tbf

2:16 PM

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You didn’t read what I wrote…

2:18 PM

“NEXT TO THE NUMBERS”

2:18 PM

Being the key phrase

2:18 PM

Not there. Where you actually place your votes

2:19 PM

Also.

2:19 PM

It literally contradicts itself

SANTATRONIC 🏆

Click to see attachment 🖼️

"rank 1-5" implies your #1 through #5 Then the next part explains it the other way

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Before I could even type it

That's the confusion imo

It’s contradictory yeah

If you’re expecting people to read that at all you’re fooling yourself

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Usually we go with 1 = #1 choice

I’m not saying this is perfect, I more wanted to say that it does exist that there is explanation in the form, it’s not just a random announcement.

But just happened to be reversed this time and has caused confusion.

I acknowledged that there is a description. My issue is that the information is not in the appropriate place

OS | Icarus 🏆🏆🏆

If you’re expecting people to read that at all you’re fooling yourself

I may be naïve I do expect people to read something that they’re filling out.

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That is definitely naive

2:20 PM

Sorry

I’d hope they do at least.

Not trying to be mean

Also when I say we I just mean the voting forms I've made over the past two sessions as I was the election guy.

SANTATRONIC 🏆

I may be naïve I do expect people to read something that they’re filling out.

Also, I’d just like to point out that you say this… but then you didn’t even read my initial message in it’s entirety or if you did you didn’t comprehend it entirely… which ironically sort of further proves my point.

I did. I didn’t say that it wasn’t there at all or that it shouldn’t be next to the numbers. I just said that it does exist in the form.

But that doesn’t have anything to do with what I said… I said there should be clarifying information NEXT TO THE NUMBERS; and there isn’t. So I don’t understand how that is a response to my comment.

2:27 PM

This is pedantic. The overall point is that you shouldn’t expect people to read directions and you shouldn’t leave things open to interpretation. Leaving things open to interpretation people will interpret them in every possible way, regardless of your directions. The only way to help mitigate that is to attempt to remove any external factors on interpretation. You’re probably STILL going to get people that fuck it up, but it’s the best way to mitigate it (in my opinion).

nbd, just for next election, make 1 = first choice pick. person with lowest # wins

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Huge brain

i def screwed up too

Ayo I fucked it up too

7:44 AM

Lol

Ok I see my assumption that people would read directions was sorely incorrect

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SANTATRONIC 🏆

Ok I see my assumption that people would read directions was sorely incorrect

The classic blunder

SANTATRONIC 🏆

Ok I see my assumption that people would read directions was sorely incorrect

Assuming people in CSC can read was your first mistake

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Also TBH it takes the classic rank order and flips it on its head. It’s deceptively fooling lol. I thought I understood it because of conventions so I didn’t bother even looking for something to read. If it was like “Vote with F, I, J, Z, and Y” I would have been like wtf and looked it up. (edited)

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SANTATRONIC 🏆

Ok I see my assumption that people would read directions was sorely incorrect

I mean dude you put to rank them 1-5, yes people tend to go on autopilot after reading that especially considering this is electing people for a for fun counterstrike league that peolle play for shits

12:06 PM

It’s just so much more straightforward for 1 to equal 1 choice and it’s such an easy fix for that to be how it works that having it the other way just makes no sense. It’s like you guys were trying make something extremely simple more confusing

All I ask is that I can vote again KEKW