Counter Strike Confederation - s8-admin-election

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There are 3 slots open for admin this election. For a full timeline check the original notice. Please keep all general discussion of admin candidates and the election process to this #s8-admin-election chat. Stay on topic within this channel and these threads. This means no GIFs/memes. This rules post is your warning. Each individual thread is for direct question and answer with candidates. After a question is asked, candidates can use reply with their answer. You can ask as much as you'd like, but understand it may take time for candidates to respond, and if you want to discuss answers or someone else's question, do so in the main discussion chat. (edited)

AVI | Fuffy 🏆 pinned a message to this channel. 4/19/2022 4:10 PM

Keep in mind if you want to talk about general stuff like "I believe X issue is the most important this election" this channel is also open ❤️

frist

first who can spell

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first who can click heads

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PFA | Crispy

first who can click heads

@ admin this guys lying to everyone

@AVI | Fuffy 🏆 make a seperate general discussion channel

9:23 PM

So the threads don’t get lost

^

Question: If I send my question sheet to the admins to get permission that these are all questions that are hard hitting that should be answered by all candidates can I post it here and make a thread?

UPS | Raasck

@AVI | Fuffy 🏆 make a seperate general discussion channel

Threads are pinned within discord UI at the top, look for the # symbol

Ahh gotcha

9:24 PM

I see that now

oh wow

9:24 PM

elite discord user

NAN | JermzPC

Question: If I send my question sheet to the admins to get permission that these are all questions that are hard hitting that should be answered by all candidates can I post it here and make a thread?

just like everybody else you'll have to ask them in individual chats

I do still think a separate channel would be easier to manage rather than using a separated UI

but you can paste the same ones in different chats

9:26 PM

also we will stick with the # for threads/the info msg is pinned in here

Hey Fuffy if you want, we do still have the @Admin Candidate role that can be used

9:56 PM

up to you though

As the former head admin, I think @UPS | Raasck should be the one to select his ~~sacrificial lamb~~ successor.

Umm wrong thing champ

9:58 PM

But good spirit!

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Oh

9:58 PM

It's been a long day and I have nothing to lose

9:58 PM

So I'll keep it there

Mag

As the former head admin, I think @UPS | Raasck should be the one to select his ~~sacrificial lamb~~ successor.

he'd pick me

how many admin slots are up this season?

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alright

UPS | Raasck

So the threads don’t get lost

you can also join the threads and they will show up on the side like this

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10:15 PM

click the 3 dots when in a thread, or sending a message in a thread auto-joins you

you can also just change the setting on the bell if you wanna do that

@AVI | Fuffy 🏆 can u delete this msg it is messing with my vibe kekw

https://discord.com/channels/644377562516029460/965829577689677824/966051454307684402

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it is gone

look at that response time

30m mute for it as well

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@Admin Candidate Open question. What is a step you can take for the long term growth and health of the league?

(I am giving all of the candidates the role since the admins havent done it yet)

oM

@Admin Candidate Open question. What is a step you can take for the long term growth and health of the league?

partnerships with cool third parties, maybe?

HG | PUMPKINSPICELATTE 🏆

partnerships with cool third parties, maybe?

Pre-election bribes sponsered by Pureskill.gg

HG | PUMPKINSPICELATTE 🏆

partnerships with cool third parties, maybe?

leetify.com?

oh i guess i shouldnt answer. i mean. what yall think about partnerships (and i dont mean cake)

Listening to the community, there has been a disconnect from the admins and players for a long time. The players are the heart of this league and to keep them happy would be the way to keep the league happy and prosperous

oM

@Admin Candidate Open question. What is a step you can take for the long term growth and health of the league?

@Admin Candidate in case anyone missed it

I have 3 dollars.

Having your hand on the "pulse". Understanding what the community wants and their opinions about decisions. The league is about the players if you dont listen to their concerns and issues why even be an admin in the first place

@AVI | Fuffy 🏆 if someone has a question for all the candidates is it best to go in here or copy-paste into each thread like @ATO | Assass1n do?

oM

@Admin Candidate Open question. What is a step you can take for the long term growth and health of the league?

I have answered this in a few different ways within my thread. Tldr; better organization and communication within the admin team, strong foundations and structure, work on smoothing out the "cracks" to ensure things down crack further down the chain, feedback loop and focus on the community. I think there was more but I feel like I have repeated myself a lot on it so I would recommend people read my thread to see more in-depth responses on this

HG | PUMPKINSPICELATTE 🏆

@AVI | Fuffy 🏆 if someone has a question for all the candidates is it best to go in here or copy-paste into each thread like @ATO | Assass1n do?

individual if you want everyone to answer

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oM

@Admin Candidate Open question. What is a step you can take for the long term growth and health of the league?

• We need to communicate clearly and thoroughly to the players. Players are number 1. We're here for them and we want to involve them. • We need to always be recruiting (Lots of people have many talents that can help our staff) • The core structure of how elevated staff communicates with one another needs to be smoother. Too many hands in the cookie jar can cause problems, but knowing when you need to ask for help is huge.

For the record I think it’s really unfair to expect anyone to know how much they’ll be able to dedicate to CSC in 2+ years time and frankly anyone that says they do know is probably either super set in life or lying

HG | Dilly

For the record I think it’s really unfair to expect anyone to know how much they’ll be able to dedicate to CSC in 2+ years time and frankly anyone that says they do know is probably either super set in life or lying

two terms is roughly 6 months

Ohhh LOL I’m covering local elections rn and very set in years

12:27 AM

Still that can be rough for someone in college or close out of it but yeah that’s not as bad

yeah no its two seasons of the csc league so for example this most recent season took roughly three months and some change

Gotcha. Alright guys well just go ahead and ignore me, carry on

If only 3 admins ran, were they all guaranteed admin?

willyflynn

If only 3 admins ran, were they all guaranteed admin?

ye

Can the new admin elects override the public mmr for S8?

willyflynn

Can the new admin elects override the public mmr for S8?

ye, 3/5 majoritee

Cheers, doc

HG | PUMPKINSPICELATTE 🏆

ye, 3/5 majoritee

name those 3 admins freeman monkaGun

who are you protecting

HG | PUMPKINSPICELATTE 🏆

ye, 3/5 majoritee

Lmao if they did that half the player base would up and quit

1:00 AM

Idc what your views are if you overturn it you’re setting the server up for death

willyflynn

Can the new admin elects override the public mmr for S8?

yes they can

1:17 AM

if they really wanted to

OS | Cash 🏆

if they really wanted to

Do you really want to?

I would recommend reading what I wrote but I am 100 percent for public mmr

I already have a botnet in here

1:25 AM

Just aay the word

1:25 AM

Say

1:26 AM

Jk don't ban me

1:26 AM

Gl in league @OS | Cash 🏆

My views on public MMR are also in my channel

1:27 AM

But tldr I’m personally against it but I’m also not going to prevent the players from getting what they very obviously want

1:27 AM

So at this point with how the league feels I would be pro-mmr

I've read a bit about committee autonomy throughout each discussion. How much power would/does an admin hold over any of them? I know I use it as an example a lot, but I can't think of another at the moment, apologies. If admins decide on something such as public MMR, is it then up to numbers committee to pull it off? Even if numbers committee is against it? Wouldn't that go somewhat against the complete autonomy they have/is being discussed? (edited)

The admins do not much power over committees they can suggest and push them towards something but it is up to the committee head where the committee goes. Public numbers has always been an admin decision because it affects more than just numbers committee. But it will be up to numbers committee on how to do it and what they think is best not the admins

@OS | Spence 🏆 What're your thoughts on the discussions about admins not being GMs? Would you like to remain as GM if it's decided that admins aren't allowed to be them? I don't have a particular opinion about this, just curious.

Let me check the rulebook real quick I think there is something written about what you are asking

Splatmonkey 🏆

Let me check the rulebook real quick I think there is something written about what you are asking

Cool, thank you. It might answer some of my follow up questions

willyflynn

@OS | Spence 🏆 What're your thoughts on the discussions about admins not being GMs? Would you like to remain as GM if it's decided that admins aren't allowed to be them? I don't have a particular opinion about this, just curious.

this is a discussion me and fuffy have had multiple times this season. With Numbers fully taking all of adjustment and MMR stuff off the hands of Admins, there is much less conflict with the two roles. Still definitely an ongoing discussion however and seeing as one of the applicants is a current GM, it will probably continue to be a discussion topic going into this offseason

willyflynn

Cool, thank you. It might answer some of my follow up questions

So what I was think was only for GMs but I think we could introduce a vote of no confidence voted on by the league if the head is truly not acting in the leagues best interests

Another example... Could the admins decide that any number of games be required to be streamed and it then up to media to make it happen?

No definitely not that

1:37 AM

That’s totally up to media

willyflynn

Another example... Could the admins decide that any number of games be required to be streamed and it then up to media to make it happen?

realistically no. Admins could propose it, but its ultimately solely media who determines that

Admins can say he we think you should stream more but media can say no because of these reasons

What if the admins vote and decide that they can?

The admins can’t do that there isn’t a process set up for them to do that

In the sense of taking away committee autonomy, I mean

Again there isn’t a process for them to make that vote or decision

1:39 AM

That was one of the reasons I have committees full autonomy in the beginning

1:40 AM

To be free to move their part of the league in the direction they see fit

Okay, fair enough. I'm just curious as I don't fully understand the workings of the committees or the relationships with admins, but I did read about committee autonomy and how a new admin could affect it

Who said that?

1:40 AM

Just so I can go get the context to try and better explain it

https://discord.com/channels/644377562516029460/966051452143423538/966148330654695455

1:41 AM

starts there I think

Oh I see, I think there is a difference between changing a logo or key “branding” element and the admins deciding they want more games streamed. I think if a change is wanted in logo or anything similar that would be a league wide decision not a media decision, the media team would come up with ideas and have full autonomy once the league agrees to change something that large again this is my opinion and how I ran it in the beginning, but a change that large shouldn’t be made by a group of 5 people in a locked channel

1:47 AM

Like the media team has had full autonomy to create all the stream elements to the best of my knowledge, they have full autonomy on what games to stream ( with championships being heavily pushed for by admins and league)

1:47 AM

Tnoodle can better talk to it but that’s my take on it

For the record my reply to Nolan had to do with team logos, not the league logo. The branding of the league as a whole should be a blend of admin/media

Oh then we are in 100% agreement

1:49 AM

But also team logos are the GMs to make that’s their autonomy when creating the franchise

Absolutely. Full league rebrand and if numbers should be public are more the “extreme outliers” where admins would need to be involved

I think media could help make it if asked but I would hate to take that away from the GMs

Splatmonkey 🏆

But also team logos are the GMs to make that’s their autonomy when creating the franchise

I believe there should be a minimum standard of quality, however

3000% agree

Could the admins decide that every tier final be streamed? Would they propose that to rules in which case it would be made a rule so media would have to do it? I'm just trying to ascertain how much power the admins do have for things like that. Sorry... (edited)

They don’t have that power it’s up to the media committee full stop

1:51 AM

Not something that would pass through the rules committee

I'm just using that as an example though. At what point does admin power end and committee power begin?

As media head would be first to speak up and say this is bullshit

1:52 AM

With anything to do with the committee and it’s day to day workings. Admins can suggest but it’s up to CH to make decision again not counting outlier things like public numbers as stated before

I mean in this hypothetical situation that willy is proposing I think the answer is collaboration. Admins make the schedule. Media organizes the stream. Media should be heavily involved in the schedule making in order to allow for a realistic ability to stream...if something happens and max gets deported to canada then well...atleast we tried.

1:54 AM

Making a rule seems just a power flex for no reason.

Right totally which is why the rules committee is there to stop shit like that from happening

1:55 AM

Admins make up 2 of 9? Voting positions

willyflynn

I'm just using that as an example though. At what point does admin power end and committee power begin?

admins can request things of the committees, ie a specific thing from tech that we need for X sheet, but admins cant directly go tell committees what to do and how to do it

They can’t outvote the committee heads

What is the difference between admins proposing something to committee heads and any random person doing it?

Admins have a larger view of the workings of the league and should be taken somewhat more seriously when suggesting things to committees

1:57 AM

But generally nothing

ideally, if an admin is suggesting something to a committee, it is in the benefit of the league

^

but we would, again ideally, propose the idea, and let the committee and its head figure out how to accomplish the idea

1:58 AM

thats what were working towards

1:59 AM

thats what I believe TNoodle was referring to with the committees being autonomous and what we want the Admin role to be when we say we want to be overseers

OS | Spence 🏆

thats what I believe TNoodle was referring to with the committees being autonomous and what we want the Admin role to be when we say we want to be overseers

@UPS | TNoodle 🏆🏅🏅 feel free to correct me if i missed what exactly you were referring about the committees being autonomous

This would be correct

OS | Spence 🏆

thats what I believe TNoodle was referring to with the committees being autonomous and what we want the Admin role to be when we say we want to be overseers

this 10000 percent, the admin team is only their to help when asked and suggest things to committee heads in the end like spence said admins are more overseers rather than anything else when it comes to committees

From my perspective, the committees run 90% of the server from making teams, rules, games running, streams, etc. and much of the work is delegated to said committees. What do the admins do outside of overseeing?

there have been instances in the past when Admins had to be involved in committees because of the size of the league, but weve outgrown that for the most part. Obviously raptor with servers, fuffy still casting, ive helped run an event or two when others couldnt because if time, but for the most part were working away from that. One other thing me and fuffy have talked about was the way the draft lotto was handled. That was 100% a mistake on admins part, pushing for it to be done a certain way instead of allowing media to take control (something we recognized and have learned from)

willyflynn

From my perspective, the committees run 90% of the server from making teams, rules, games running, streams, etc. and much of the work is delegated to said committees. What do the admins do outside of overseeing?

make sure the natural flow of everything is kept in balance. The goal is to not be needed much at all, outside of meetings with CH and GMs to see how things are going and get any progress updates/answer any questions

2:12 AM

and handle anything major that needs to be handled but hopefully not much of that will be needed

Aswell as setting up and maintaining the league^

With the idea the committees run almost everything autonomously throughout the league, how much do new admins affect some of the issues within the league?

willyflynn

With the idea the committees run almost everything autonomously throughout the league, how much do new admins affect some of the issues within the league?

If they are committee based it’s really up to the Ch and admin working in tandem where as if it’s not the admins should be able to accomplish what they need to aswell

admins should still be driving committees in a direction that benefits the league. Some committees function more independently (media, events, numbers) just based on what their main functions are. Others work more closely with Admins (like Tech) where we will meet with the CH and say "we want to implement this with the league. would we be able to get a new command, new bot feature, etc. to help with that" and the CH will work with whoever in their committee has the knowledge to bring that idea to life

Guiding hand is often a termed used when talking about this

Transactions and admins work hand in hand with certain rulings on whether a transaction should be allowed or not. Every season GMs find new ways to interpret rules or just forget about certain rules, making sure the TMs are enforcing the rules as they should be is an example of how admins work with committees. Every season certain rules are enforced harder than others (think pass interference or roughing the passer in football) the refs are more focused on enforcement of a rule depending on the season because that’s what they were asked/decided what to focus on that season. As I type this I saw guiding hand and I think that’s a good way to put it, the admins depending on where they want to push the league will then push certain committees to do certain things and this can change based off who is on the admin team

Splatmonkey 🏆

Transactions and admins work hand in hand with certain rulings on whether a transaction should be allowed or not. Every season GMs find new ways to interpret rules or just forget about certain rules, making sure the TMs are enforcing the rules as they should be is an example of how admins work with committees. Every season certain rules are enforced harder than others (think pass interference or roughing the passer in football) the refs are more focused on enforcement of a rule depending on the season because that’s what they were asked/decided what to focus on that season. As I type this I saw guiding hand and I think that’s a good way to put it, the admins depending on where they want to push the league will then push certain committees to do certain things and this can change based off who is on the admin team

What would make a transaction not be allowed by an admin?

Plenty of things I would suggest reading all of section 5 of the rule book. There are many rules when it comes to transactions and making sure that the TMs follow the rules can sometimes be a job in and of itself. Not that they are breaking rules but may forget some aspect of a rule and allow a trade or cut when they weren’t supposed to

2:27 AM

And an admin has to step in and correct it

2:27 AM

Or decide not to

If there is something to be corrected, how is there a decision to be made then?

I’m falling asleep so I will come back tomorrow if no one else has answered, please ping me if you haven’t been answered tomorrow

admins arent allowed to sleep

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2:29 AM

what is this

Np, have a good night brother. Thanks for the responses

willyflynn

If there is something to be corrected, how is there a decision to be made then?

TMs have done a good job for the most part of catching mistakes, although there have been a few instances where they have asked to talk with us about a GM interpreting a rule in a new way and how to go about the response

willyflynn

If there is something to be corrected, how is there a decision to be made then?

I’ll respond now with something. Think if a transaction isn’t allowed because of a rule. That transaction would be cancelled and not allowed. For example “this trade cannot be allowed because rule — states your only allowed one cross tier trade”

2:31 AM

So transactions would be cancelled it they break the rules

Is the rule then concrete or subject to interpretation? I'm getting the feeling this is specific, but is it then up to the admin to allow or disallow the transaction?

nothing in transactions is up to admins to specifically allow or decline a trade. If a trade is canceled for any reason, TMs will agree upon it and come to admins as a confirmation moreso than anything

2:35 AM

Transaction rules are not up for interpretation, however there have been a few instances where the rule is not as clear as it could be and a GM reads it as "well it doesnt say i CANT do this"

2:36 AM

that is the only instance where we might be called in to help deliberate, but even then, its an agreed conclusion between admins and the committee

Yeah thats why I never stated admins doing it. Just like every other committee tms go to admins when they need help. Just like Spence said

@OS | Spence 🏆 Thanks for the clarification and responses. How have you felt about your first season as admin? What would you like to improve or change going into next season?

2:39 AM

Who do you believe that you'd work best with out of the candidates in order to better the league?

willyflynn

@OS | Spence 🏆 Thanks for the clarification and responses. How have you felt about your first season as admin? What would you like to improve or change going into next season?

first season has been interesting to say the least. Definitely had its fair share of memorable moments. I've enjoyed it for the most part. We've set a few things in motion recently (see the newsletter) that will hopefully help lead us in a better direction. There was a really good conversation today in GM hub about communication and the realization that what we initially think sounds good, might be missing key information for the average player. As for your second question I'm gonna keep it political. I've worked with all of them before and had no issues, however I would rather not give my personal opinion on the election to not indirectly sway anyone one way or another

tldr of the rules regarding tms thing: rules

but not too hard bc then i have to think harder bc you make some wild connection that i have to address

but honestly a lot of good discussion is had when gms interpret rules a certain way and it over time helps us make sure RC catches instances where there may be abilities to work around certain things. feedback cycle blah blah betterment yes sir

2:46 AM

sorry i just wanted an excuse to use that emote

2:47 AM

ive been waiting to use it in a non-hostile matter

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2:47 AM

sorry spence

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OS | Spence 🏆

first season has been interesting to say the least. Definitely had its fair share of memorable moments. I've enjoyed it for the most part. We've set a few things in motion recently (see the newsletter) that will hopefully help lead us in a better direction. There was a really good conversation today in GM hub about communication and the realization that what we initially think sounds good, might be missing key information for the average player. As for your second question I'm gonna keep it political. I've worked with all of them before and had no issues, however I would rather not give my personal opinion on the election to not indirectly sway anyone one way or another

I hear you and thought about it before asking, however I do think it is important to know who you think you would work best with, whether it be in regards to compatibility or an opposing viewpoint. I do understand though.

2:51 AM

Can any admin candidates guarantee that there will remain a consistent level of drama throughout the season?

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thats one thing that CSC has no shortage of

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2:52 AM

whether you see it as a good thing or bad thing is your interpretation of it

What about something like adding a new channel? Is that solely an admin decision?

it depends on what the channel is for. if a CH requests one for their committee, well just add it for them if its needed

3:07 AM

outside of that its kinda admin discretion but the need for new channels outside of committee stuff is rare

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@willyflynn ik we're 6hrs+ past this but if you have more questions about CH v Admin (not vs but like, you get it), im more then happy to answer them

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@willyflynn I wanted to give a true example of admins having to step in with TM, sometimes enforcing the rule that was forgotten isnt always what is best for the player. let me share an example, two? seasons ago punk was cut from a team when he was still supposed to be protected by the two match day rule. it was missed by the TMs. Now bringing Punk back to the team is what the rules say, however bringing a player back to a team where the GM has shown they are not wanted can create bad situations for teamplay and just the general environment. In a example like this the admins would step in and try to balance what is best for the league (should the rule be enforced) and what is best for the player(s) effected

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I have a question for the current admins: If decisions for things are not being done until new admins come in, why was a public statement made about allowing public mmr made knowing 3/5 positions would be different/new soon and that anything can change?

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3:36 PM

Not saying it will ofc but just trying to understand why some minor changes will not be made but a major decision is made that is subject to change

scraps

I have a question for the current admins: If decisions for things are not being done until new admins come in, why was a public statement made about allowing public mmr made knowing 3/5 positions would be different/new soon and that anything can change?

It is the work, not decisions. We are not wanting to be introducing a new team midway through other processes. Some of these things will also be delegated out to the new admins/it will be important to get their input on. Spence in particular wanted us to get out the statement about public MMR, so that the discussion could be less about having to fight FOR it, but more around the implementation given that the numbers committee believes it can/should be done.

We workin hard on it bosses

AVI | Fuffy 🏆

It is the work, not decisions. We are not wanting to be introducing a new team midway through other processes. Some of these things will also be delegated out to the new admins/it will be important to get their input on. Spence in particular wanted us to get out the statement about public MMR, so that the discussion could be less about having to fight FOR it, but more around the implementation given that the numbers committee believes it can/should be done.

Just be aware while Numbers can set it up, due to the information and access that gives is still ultimately an Admin decision as well as something that will need to go through RC to ensure the Rulebook is changed to reflect it. Seems like a premature jump to once again "promise" something that is chanced to not happen again

I do feel like it was a super smart decision to announce that there is a plan for public MMR so that Admins aren't elected just based on their stance on it, take splat who is openly against it for a good example of this

BS | Manifest

I do feel like it was a super smart decision to announce that there is a plan for public MMR so that Admins aren't elected just based on their stance on it, take splat who is openly against it for a good example of this

well I think the reason for concern is because of the last election when many people ran "for" public mmr and it ended up not happening

Before my time, so thank you for that ^

This announcement was put out partially because of that. We will stick to our promises.

So I see the concern of wanting to stay the hand on something that is a large topic of debate until the new admin caame it

3:43 PM

again I don't think its an issue but understanding that things could change. though Ideally they wont.

BS | Manifest

I do feel like it was a super smart decision to announce that there is a plan for public MMR so that Admins aren't elected just based on their stance on it, take splat who is openly against it for a good example of this

Okay yeah, but the same admins ran on public mmr for s7 just to say no... And then said yeah okay at the end of the season

again I wasn't here for that, and now I know

In theory, if 3 admins were elected that all HATED public mmr, they could force the league to change the other way. But as it stands both spence & I are for it, all of numbers is (who are the ones who anyone should consult about this), and a majority of candidates are for it. (edited)

agreed

AVI | Fuffy 🏆

In theory, if 3 admins were elected that all HATED public mmr, they could force the league to change the other way. But as it stands both spence & I are for it, all of numbers is (who are the ones who anyone should consult about this), and a majority of candidates are for it. (edited)

As said it would also be league suicide to reverse it

^

UPS | Raasck

As said it would also be league suicide to reverse it

1000 percent

willyflynn

Okay yeah, but the same admins ran on public mmr for s7 just to say no... And then said yeah okay at the end of the season

There was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that just couldn't let them do it for the start of S7 and ofc they won't just do it mid season. So it only made sense the decision was made off season

ExNinja

There was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that just couldn't let them do it for the start of S7 and ofc they won't just do it mid season. So it only made sense the decision was made off season

I dont think any assumptions should be made about why it never happened before the season aPES_Laugh

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From my understanding its pretty difficult for admins to get stuff done right after they got elected and they also have the get the season ready

3:47 PM

Its a fair assumption

technically it has been 2 seasons in a row of last second "sorry actually no public mmr", so this season it must change.

BS | Manifest

I do feel like it was a super smart decision to announce that there is a plan for public MMR so that Admins aren't elected just based on their stance on it, take splat who is openly against it for a good example of this

openly against but will not stand in the way of a much wanted change

exactly

I've been against it in the past and still a bit wary as it could be a source for player harassment. But I'm pretty sure the mods are on board and will nip things in the bud.

I want numbers as much as the next guy, and with what splat said in his thread about friends wanting to get friends on their team because they know they can fit is something that I could see happening

3:59 PM

Granted, I don't think thats a huge problem, and if their gm's say no HOPEFULLY most people will accept that and not take it personally

Yeah there are numerous ways that this could be open for abuse. But at this point the will of the community is pretty apparent and its the admin's and staff's duty to enact it and make it work

As a GM just be honest. If you upset people, you upset people. Most GMs try to accommodate as much as possible and do what’s best both for the franchise and the player

BS | Manifest

Granted, I don't think thats a huge problem, and if their gm's say no HOPEFULLY most people will accept that and not take it personally

True but one of the main jobs of a gm is knowing how to manage players

Yea, hopefully that mutual respect is there and you guys can work through it

Like I’ve had situations where someone wanted their friend in a team and you can just straight up say hey that would be cool to have but I want to keep these other guys for these reasons

@UPS | Raasck good ass question brother

UPS | TNoodle 🏆🏅🏅

As a GM just be honest. If you upset people, you upset people. Most GMs try to accommodate as much as possible and do what’s best both for the franchise and the player

thisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss thistbh

admin candidates 5 stack and the lowest two performing players are eliminated from contention

Y’all haven’t seen the scrAWPeek before (edited)

oh yes I have she is nuts

SPLAT SPITTIN

4:19 PM

literally everyone is chally right?

4:19 PM

the playing field is level

Noods would be elite

extra pressure

4:20 PM

dont choke @UPS | TNoodle 🏆🏅🏅

BS | Manifest

literally everyone is chally right?

scraps has played in premiere tho...

TRUE

4:23 PM

and she carried rabbitt which is impressive in and of itsself

Rabbit schmabbitt… Bunnyman in 2

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SANTATRONIC 🏆

scraps has played in premiere tho...

Not just that but she got a decent amount of kills

yea

I propose an adminolympics

YO

NO I DIDNT

4:25 PM

i did dog in premier

i am a dog

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:D

dont hype me like then when i dont deserve it

u do tho

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i dont even know u

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ur a teir 1

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cs god

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B)

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theres footage in area 51 of you dunkin on simple

nah scraps goatd

was to dangerous

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to the public

You almost@had double digit kills that’s a W in my book

they had to hid eit

Against my team too

Superem!

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:D

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Super man!

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:D

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<3

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:>

HG | Scrubian

Super man!

Hey brother once again, can we stop spamming

BS | Manifest

dont choke @UPS | TNoodle 🏆🏅🏅

Oh man I’m rusty.

Hey man not to be that guy but this IS admin discussion OMEGALUL

^

Ok gamers stay on topic

BS | Manifest

Hey brother once again, can we stop spamming

My bad.

@HG | Scrubian is now level 4 !

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HG | Scrubian

My bad.

Won’t happen again

I'm not sure if this question has been asked already. When/If Public MMR becomes a thing. What will you do as a admin if someone who believes that their mmr should be higher because they're "better" then this player? Obviously this is something the community wants but if it ends up blowing up in the admins faces what will be done to help elevate any issues. (Very much a what if but i'm sure this will be something happening) (edited)

4:55 PM

is this purely up to numbers to decide or is it up to admins?

have a form for someone to submit that is sent to the manual review part of numbers committee

I've actually had a post in #old-serious-suggestions about this before. https://discord.com/channels/644377562516029460/644579584754581514/930266735154716742

4:57 PM

Probably belongs under the purview of the number's committee.

yeah having a form that goes to numbers committee asking for adjustment. and that would be up to numbers if they adjusted or not

Definitely a form from numbers committee

think I made one a while ago and it's sitting somewhere in the drive xd

xNolan

think I made one a while ago and it's sitting somewhere in the drive xd

liar, not in the drive kek

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Porkchop

liar, not in the drive kek

ah it's sitting in my drive lol

lmao

xNolan

ah it's sitting in my drive lol

send it to me and ill add it to ours

leak it please

eh, it depends...

After partially reviewing #notices from the past season, it seems to me that there was only one real admin notice towards the latter part of the season. There is a couple about servers, several others about the instances that occured though the season, such as GM removal/stepping down and the leak incident. Some were updates about the mod committee, however none provided real insight. As admins are overseers for the different committees, I believe it is important for the community to know about the need for new committee members before any issues may arise. Candidates, how will you go about providing the community with more transparency? How do you plan on providing the committees with their necessary resources should more situations arise?

id like to weigh in here a bit willy, adding members to committees is up to the committee heads, not the admins. this usually happens in the off season and there are application forms in #deleted-channel and as per needed, the CH will ask admins to make a notice for it

6:34 PM

if you check staff apps, you can see specifically tech committee asked for help with specific info, and it says other committees are looking for members too

So in my opinion, Fuffy being the primary poster of notices tracks. It seems just like a natural thing from being head of media to being the defacto communication source from the admin team. Overall I don't really have a problem with it as sometimes its just easier to designate one person to write things up. I think that notices are a critical part of admin communication, however they are not the complete solution. Hell, the whole solution isn't going to be invented here on the spot. This is going to be an iterative process where we take small steps forward to increase transparency and communication with the community. I think the first step should be more town halls. At minimum at the beginning and end of each season but maybe even once a month. There is a definite difference in writing the community a dear john letter versus having to field questions in the flesh. I would expect every admin to participate in some town halls.

willyflynn

After partially reviewing #notices from the past season, it seems to me that there was only one real admin notice towards the latter part of the season. There is a couple about servers, several others about the instances that occured though the season, such as GM removal/stepping down and the leak incident. Some were updates about the mod committee, however none provided real insight. As admins are overseers for the different committees, I believe it is important for the community to know about the need for new committee members before any issues may arise. Candidates, how will you go about providing the community with more transparency? How do you plan on providing the committees with their necessary resources should more situations arise?

You would be correct that the amount of notices plus the information in the notices was not sufficient. I will say there is a plan in place to improve people-to-know that would provide more insight on each committee, franchise, etc. committee heads will provide info in their channel as needed. How I see the utilization of more frequent newsletters, is we can point people in the direction of those individual people-to-know channels when committees are looking for more people or have information that they would like to share. Ex: “ Media committee is looking for more observers, see (channel link) for more details Events is looking into Pokémon Showdown tournament, if you’re interested please see (channel link) Mod Committee would like to host their own town hall so the community can voice their opinions, please check (channel link) Stats is introducing a live scoreboard, check (channel link) to see what this means “

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PFA | the|Supreme 🏆🏆

id like to weigh in here a bit willy, adding members to committees is up to the committee heads, not the admins. this usually happens in the off season and there are application forms in #deleted-channel and as per needed, the CH will ask admins to make a notice for it

Yup, I thought of that. If we disregard the updates about committee changes and regard the other incidents as "anomalies" that shouldn't happen next season, then what are we left with? Some server delays and #world-events?

I mean that’s what notices is for

8:14 PM

For regular communication we should have town halls and stuff like Tom said

The way I see it, Notices are Admin > Community and Town halls are Community > Admins. Both are needed

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What're your guy's opinions on some of the league "changes" I've seen discussed or suggested over time, such as 6 man rosters or official team coaches? Things of that nature.

willyflynn

What're your guy's opinions on some of the league "changes" I've seen discussed or suggested over time, such as 6 man rosters or official team coaches? Things of that nature.

Rules committee change not admin.

One thing the league cannot do is be static. We as a community will find what works for us and implement rules based on that. We certainly don't have to follow lock step with everyone else As the game changes (...slowly...thanks volvo) we as a league react to that, banning agent skins is a good example. So in terms of league changes, they need to be done on a case-by-case basis and like step bro said, its a collaborative process between the staff. Personally I don't really have an opinion about 6 man rosters because I haven't really thought about it all that much and the risks and benefits of implementing such a change. If it is where the large majority of the community wants to take the league I'm happy to be involved in that discussion.

willyflynn

What're your guy's opinions on some of the league "changes" I've seen discussed or suggested over time, such as 6 man rosters or official team coaches? Things of that nature.

Every change is different and as mentioned prior, it’s up to rules committee. However, to provide my own opinion on 6 man rosters… when I was a player I absolutely wanted that. However now that I’ve been here a little longer, I would not see it as beneficial at this time. The reason being is that the current setup allows “everyone to play” with the utilization of the FA pool. 6 man rosters would affect that greatly. Some 6th men would be used a lot, others would never get to play. And the remaining FAs would never see anything. However, things change so who knows what the future holds?

it begins lmao

3:47 PM

so badly formatted, have to scroll sideways lmao

awe ffs

3:48 PM

i hate discord

Oh you just plonked the doc in lmao

i didnt know it would make a doc

just copy paste it bruv

I DID

lmao

its too big for discord ig

that format is actually painful

3:51 PM

lmao

One question at a time

ffs

3:53 PM

thatsgonna take me ages

3:53 PM

5 question chunks?

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awe fukkit alright

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ill just do it that way

you’ll figure it out big guy

bros the questionnaire

So many questions people wont realize if they missed answering one lmao

thats why i labeled them

Yah fr that’s lame ash

so you can literally go down the list

Can’t believe my man just asked all those questions

4:00 PM

Forums been up for two whole days

@NAN | GREG0ROVITCH 🏆 here’s the other issue: where do you find people that you trust to be admins that aren’t players? GM and AGM you could make an argument for but requiring someone to not play is eh

4:27 PM

We’re all here to play CS

I also have a strong feeling that if admins aren't players then they won't have as much drive for the league tbh

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raptor has done well for it

i used to play, then school took time that id practice, then admin took more time, and wouldn't be fair to a team for me to be 50% devoted to playing when others are 100% devoted. i stayed a fa but wasnt used bc i guess i stinky and also large FA pool. also doesnt help when freeman cuts you angryreact

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Cutting raptor was the closest thing that could happen to ban raptor.

5:23 PM

freeman should be promoted to meme master

raptor

i used to play, then school took time that id practice, then admin took more time, and wouldn't be fair to a team for me to be 50% devoted to playing when others are 100% devoted. i stayed a fa but wasnt used bc i guess i stinky and also large FA pool. also doesnt help when freeman cuts you angryreact

i did ask you to sub a few times

HG | PUMPKINSPICELATTE 🏆

i did ask you to sub a few times

oh yeah and my box i was working on ran out of storage and nuked itself so i had to redo my entire malware hw assignment lmao. but we're getting off track

step bro 🏆 🏆

I also have a strong feeling that if admins aren't players then they won't have as much drive for the league tbh

I feel I have already proved myself in this regard. As a player, I just enjoyed myself playing. Season 6, I took a step back as I had gotten married in December. Once I came back to being active midway through this past offseason, I pushed(and helped) the franchises to remake their branding on top of many other major design changes to the league. I then became a VERY involved GM and built successful teams with the help of wonderful people I was fortunate enough to bring in to the team. On top of this, I helped get season 7 the most games casted ever. I had never casted prior to this season, and while i don’t think I’m great, I put in the work by studying footage across many sports and esports broadcasts to try and give this league something they deserved. While there is concern about the drive of non-players, I believe I have absolutely proven that I am very driven to help this league, despite my inability to play anymore.

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UPS | TNoodle 🏆🏅🏅

I feel I have already proved myself in this regard. As a player, I just enjoyed myself playing. Season 6, I took a step back as I had gotten married in December. Once I came back to being active midway through this past offseason, I pushed(and helped) the franchises to remake their branding on top of many other major design changes to the league. I then became a VERY involved GM and built successful teams with the help of wonderful people I was fortunate enough to bring in to the team. On top of this, I helped get season 7 the most games casted ever. I had never casted prior to this season, and while i don’t think I’m great, I put in the work by studying footage across many sports and esports broadcasts to try and give this league something they deserved. While there is concern about the drive of non-players, I believe I have absolutely proven that I am very driven to help this league, despite my inability to play anymore.

Oh I don't know if you took what I said as a negative for you, I don't view it as such. You can both be a non-player and have drive for being an admin. Its just less common and you can see that with a lot of people who are GMs. For example, I am probably a decent example, while always being a FA that was on the backburner and I was content with my playing to be at a minimum. You are likely the same. Just because you don't play doesn't mean you don't have time or dedication. Though in some cases it can be (if the reason you don't play is literally lack of time then yea obv). I am of the opinion that a GM admin can cause a lot of conflict of interests. Less so on the player front.

step bro 🏆 🏆

Oh I don't know if you took what I said as a negative for you, I don't view it as such. You can both be a non-player and have drive for being an admin. Its just less common and you can see that with a lot of people who are GMs. For example, I am probably a decent example, while always being a FA that was on the backburner and I was content with my playing to be at a minimum. You are likely the same. Just because you don't play doesn't mean you don't have time or dedication. Though in some cases it can be (if the reason you don't play is literally lack of time then yea obv). I am of the opinion that a GM admin can cause a lot of conflict of interests. Less so on the player front.

I figured it wasn’t necessarily negative or even directed towards me, but i saw it as a good point that you brought up and a good thing for me to address, as not everyone here has interacted with me as much as you have. But I will definitely address the question Greg had as well as jermz’s list when I get home. (edited)

I would like to appreciate every admin candidate that responded to my very long and very late questions

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10:51 PM

Good luck to all candidates and I appreciate your time in this transition period

Admins. This was discussed before in a serious suggestion. But is there a way to archive this and make it public?

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