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AVI | Fuffy 🏆 4/19/2022 3:36 PM
Candidate: @oM Backer: @HG | PUMPKINSPICELATTE 🏆 "I would like to endorse Om! for admin. He is always respectful and helpful in the server. He has brought up lots of good ideas in Serious Suggestions and is reasonable when discussing them. Further, I believe he would make reasonable choices as an admin based off of all of my previous interactions with him. #OM4ADMIN" Why do you want to become an Admin? CSC has provided me with the most fun I've ever had playing Counter-Strike. The community and staff rally together to make something great out of nothing -- just because we're all passionate about the game. I'd like to be considered for an Admin position as I want to give back to this community and continue to support this growing league. What prior experience do you have that you believe will help you as an Admin? While I do not have any direct experience being an Admin of an online amateur FPS league, I do think I have some skills I've picked up through life that would help me as an Admin. Frankly, I think I'm a good communicator; my job is mostly listening to people and figuring out what their problems are and figure out what the best solution is. I will never claim to have the best answer for every problem and often the best solutions are out there just waiting to be heard. What things do you hope to implement, reinforce, or remove as an Admin. (edited)
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On the whole, the thing I want to league to improve on is communication and transparency. I perceive CSC as a true grassroots league we should be doing everything possible to stick to that ethos. Everyone here is equal and has the right to know what is going on in the league, good and bad. By having open and regular communication I feel that there will be less community issues, as the saying goes, sunlight is the best disinfectant. As for other things in the league I would say as an Admin I shouldn't have a set position on anything. As I the Admin's role is to represent the community and to enact the direction the community wants to go. While I do have my own opinions about things, I don't think that should be able to supersede the will of the community."
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ATO | Assass1n 4/19/2022 9:06 PM
what exactly would you be wanting to make more transparent and how would you go about doing it?
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More town halls. I think once-a-month feels like a good frequency but at minimum at the beginning and end of each season. This should function as the community reaching out to the admins about their concerns. Regular admin posts. once a week feels about right but minimum about once a month. This should function as the admins reaching out to the community. Maybe something a kin to a changelog. Where admins can input what progress they made in projects and/or general overviews of meetings. edit: fixed week/month (edited)
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ATO | Assass1n 4/19/2022 9:13 PM
I know there was a small push for public timeout/punishments, how do you feel about that?
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I definitely can see the benefit in that. Personally if it was enacted it should not be broadcasted per se, but rather an open google document that is more of an open ledger rather than a "hey everyone, look who done bad!" announcement.
9:16 PM
A trial might be worth while. Since staff are held to the highest standards it would be reasonable to have a public mod-encounter ledger for staff first and if it works out then apply it to everyone else.
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TFR | 42Firehawk 4/19/2022 9:16 PM
Would a public bot log channel be an alternative to the open ledger, or is it specifically not for discord but instead an external system?
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TFR | 42Firehawk
Would a public bot log channel be an alternative to the open ledger, or is it specifically not for discord but instead an external system?
The risk I see putting it on discord makes it seem more like a announcement rather than a ledger. But if it is implemented right it could be kept on discord.
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ATO | Assass1n 4/19/2022 9:23 PM
what other things in the league do you think could benefit with more transparency, is there anything with the smaller committee's you would be looking to make more widely available?
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I think there is potential to make a lot of the meetings more open. For example, if events committee are having a meeting perhaps it should be open for anyone to come sit in and listen. This may help drive up engagement and may help committees get more help if they need it.
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Would you agree, that committees should be fully autonomous, in terms of members and what they aim to do, so long as aimed towards bettering their function?
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Asking as a numbers person not arbiter for the record.
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UPS | Raasck 4/19/2022 9:29 PM
Om you’re obviously the odd man out as far as experience within CSC goes. What do you bring to the table that sets you apart from the long standing members who have a track record of leadership?
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FA | kowalskey 🏆🏆 4/19/2022 9:29 PM
what will you do to make csc be less toxic? We have seen the general chats and all of the other channels garner a bit of toxicity and witch hunting lately and I can say without a doubt that it has been swept under the rug. What will and can you do to make it so that we can be a more welcoming environment where we don't witch hunt every 2nd day of the week?
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UPS | Raasck
Om you’re obviously the odd man out as far as experience within CSC goes. What do you bring to the table that sets you apart from the long standing members who have a track record of leadership?
PFA | the|Supreme 🏆🏆 4/19/2022 9:31 PM
I’d like to weigh in here, I would’ve backed Tom if he wasn’t in my franchise. As his gm, I can attest that he has helped me in my duties as gm, he was basically an agm without numbers access
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Pre draft he helped me make a draft plan and post draft the chally team was essentially self sufficient because of toms leadership
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Would you agree, that committees should be fully autonomous, in terms of members and what they aim to do, so long as aimed towards bettering their function?
Fully autonomous may be a bit of a loaded phrase, nobody is really fully autonomous within the confederation. We all depend on eachother to make this league what it is. Committees should have a relatively loose leash on what they do and admins shouldn't be there to restrict things but rather be there to facility intra-committee communication and help resolve issues. Regarding membership, admins probably should be kept at arms length.
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PFA | the|Supreme 🏆🏆 4/19/2022 9:31 PM
I basically only had to step in because of the numbers restriction
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Fully autonomous may be a bit of a loaded phrase, nobody is really fully autonomous within the confederation. We all depend on eachother to make this league what it is. Committees should have a relatively loose leash on what they do and admins shouldn't be there to restrict things but rather be there to facility intra-committee communication and help resolve issues. Regarding membership, admins probably should be kept at arms length.
Perfect Om, appreciate that 😄
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UPS | Raasck
Om you’re obviously the odd man out as far as experience within CSC goes. What do you bring to the table that sets you apart from the long standing members who have a track record of leadership?
That is true, I'll be going on my third season on S8. Personally I believe anyone can be a leader given the opportunity. Part of that is being able to set aside your ego and realize that the designated leaders aren't they loudest, nor do they always have the best answers nor do they have to be at the forefront. What makes a good leader is their ability to review the situation, listen to their peers, and compromise. Without going too deep into my personal life I feel like I'm routinely put into situations where I am the position of authority, having to order people what to do but also have to remain open and amenable to change and at a moments notice be at the ground level and do things with the team.
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FA | kowalskey 🏆🏆
what will you do to make csc be less toxic? We have seen the general chats and all of the other channels garner a bit of toxicity and witch hunting lately and I can say without a doubt that it has been swept under the rug. What will and can you do to make it so that we can be a more welcoming environment where we don't witch hunt every 2nd day of the week?
That's actually a difficult question to answer. Its pretty well known that CS does have some toxic elements and combined with the general anonymity provided by the internet (see penny arcade's GIFT theory) it definitely is a uphill battle for toxicity. I'm not sure there is a definitive answer but what comes to my mind is rather than trying to stomp out toxicity through punishments we should be focusing on community building. I've made a lot of friends here on CSC and its pretty hard to be toxic to people you know and like to hang out with. I do notice a pattern though. It seems more drama happens when there is some down-time and when the season starts everyone is generally pretty good. Idle hands are the devil's plaything amiright? Starting with regular community events (designated 10 man nights in off season, community game nights, etc) may help bridge those gaps that separate people.
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PFA | the|Supreme 🏆🏆
I’d like to weigh in here, I would’ve backed Tom if he wasn’t in my franchise. As his gm, I can attest that he has helped me in my duties as gm, he was basically an agm without numbers access
Oh no, you and anex did all the heavy work I just chimed in on some players.
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PFA | the|Supreme 🏆🏆 4/19/2022 9:47 PM
No man you basically ran the chally team on your own and it made my life a lot easier
9:48 PM
If you apply the same thing with the committee heads then csc will be in a great place
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Oh no, you and anex did all the heavy work I just chimed in on some players.
PFA | the|Supreme 🏆🏆 4/19/2022 9:48 PM
Also Greg gonna be cheesed you left his name off lol
9:51 PM
What do you think was the biggest failing of the admins this season and what would you have done differently? No hate on existing admins btw we can all work on improving
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PFA | the|Supreme 🏆🏆
If you apply the same thing with the committee heads then csc will be in a great place
OS | Spence 🏆 4/19/2022 9:51 PM
coming from a GM, running a franchise and running the league are COMPLETELY different things
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PFA | the|Supreme 🏆🏆 4/19/2022 9:52 PM
Of course but it’s a good stepping stone
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UPS | Raasck 4/19/2022 9:54 PM
Which of the other 2 candidates do you feel you’d work best with?
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UPS | Raasck
Which of the other 2 candidates do you feel you’d work best with?
You don't get to choose your parents. Regardless who gets elected, we all would have to set aside our differences and put the league first. Plus its not like I have any significant say who will be elected, my vote is the same as everyone's, but I'll just go on record on my opinions about each person. Huge respect for Splat, he's basically the george washington of CSC and the fact that he's still here speaks volumes about his commitment to the league. I love cash, 'nuff said. I haven't had too much interactions with scraps, but I can see how important the league is to her and I admire her commitment to her ethics by stepping down in a position in a recent admin debacle. That is not an easy thing to do demonstrates a strong character. I've only played with Tnoodle a handful of times but I don't ever think I've seen him angry. I really appreciate the persistent optimistic attitude. Plus he's a treat to see on stream (especially when NAN beat UPS 😝 ) (edited)
10:10 PM
I also want to go on record and state the following. The best flavors of jolly ranchers are: Red > Pink > Purple > Green > Blue. thank you for your time
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oM
I also want to go on record and state the following. The best flavors of jolly ranchers are: Red > Pink > Purple > Green > Blue. thank you for your time
FA | ZyraReflex 4/19/2022 10:20 PM
you've lost my vote, I'm afraid
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FA | ZyraReflex
you've lost my vote, I'm afraid
I'm going to stick to my guns on this one and say...nope you're wrong
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ATO | Assass1n 4/19/2022 10:27 PM
are you interested in investing in the community with (This is just an example) a game night every Saturday or say jackbox, hide and seek, ect. mainly free ways to get the community interacting with each other
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ATO | Assass1n
are you interested in investing in the community with (This is just an example) a game night every Saturday or say jackbox, hide and seek, ect. mainly free ways to get the community interacting with each other
Absolutely. Trivia nights, community game nights, dedicated 10 man nights....all good I actually replied to kowalsky and I think this could be a way to reduce toxicity in the server as well.
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Absolutely. Trivia nights, community game nights, dedicated 10 man nights....all good I actually replied to kowalsky and I think this could be a way to reduce toxicity in the server as well.
ATO | Assass1n 4/19/2022 10:34 PM
would you be interested in helping kick start a small committee dedicated to community nights?
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I think that would be under the purview of the event's committee. I'm not sure creating a brand new committee would be the best plan otherwise there might be too much overlap in committees.
10:40 PM
I'm 100% down for more events and community night stuff
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ATO | Assass1n 4/19/2022 10:59 PM
how long do you see yourself stay as admin?
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Tangentially I do think term-limits...or at least some type of cool down would be a good idea. Entrenched bureaucracy is never really good and tends to create a club. To answer your question directly, if the community deems me a good fit I think that up to 3 seasons (~1 year) is a good time for anyone to be a continuous admin for.
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(just so you know the standard "term" is of two seasons until you have to be reelected again)
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(just so you know the standard "term" is of two seasons until you have to be reelected again)
I know, I just think 3 is a nice odd number.
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pecan50 🏆🏆 4/19/2022 11:56 PM
I don't know you as well as the other candidates, but I appreciate your point of view whenever I've come across them in the serious suggestions discussion threads. First, you discuss your communication skills as a strong point. Why do you think you would be a good admin? Do you view being an admin as someone that is only public facing? Second, I appreciate that you are on events committee, but to be honest, I haven't personally seen you (as an outsider from that committee) do much in that committee. Can you correct me and explain how you can use your experience in events committee will help you be a good fit for admin? Finally, I'm sure you have great ideas, but where do you see the current state of the league, and what do you want it to look like after you are done being an admin?
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OS | Spence 🏆 4/20/2022 12:02 AM
"As for other things in the league I would say as an Admin I shouldn't have a set position on anything. As I the Admin's role is to represent the community and to enact the direction the community wants to go. While I do have my own opinions about things, I don't think that should be able to supersede the will of the community." I would like to touch on this and hear your thoughts, because the exact opposite is WHY you should be running for admin. People will either elect you or not because your specific opinions on what is in the best interest of the league. Not having opinions is the exact opposite of what the Admin role is all about. While we listen to the community, they do not dictate any decisions that are/will be made. Admins are specifically elected by the people because those people believe the specific direction you have planned is in the best interest of the league. Fighting for your opinions here and, if you are elected, in admin meetings is the reason people will vote for you or not
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pecan50 🏆🏆
I don't know you as well as the other candidates, but I appreciate your point of view whenever I've come across them in the serious suggestions discussion threads. First, you discuss your communication skills as a strong point. Why do you think you would be a good admin? Do you view being an admin as someone that is only public facing? Second, I appreciate that you are on events committee, but to be honest, I haven't personally seen you (as an outsider from that committee) do much in that committee. Can you correct me and explain how you can use your experience in events committee will help you be a good fit for admin? Finally, I'm sure you have great ideas, but where do you see the current state of the league, and what do you want it to look like after you are done being an admin?
>Why do you think you would be a good admin? Do you view being an >admin as someone that is only public facing? Good communication is basically a necessity in any leadership role. Not only just the rule or directive that is being enacted but how its going to happen and why it is even happening in the first place. Sure, the admin is sort of a duality of roles. First you have to keep the inner-workings of the league actually functional, most of this stuff is rather mundane and not really of public interest. But admins also represent the will of the community. There is a reason they are elected through direct democracy and not appointed by the GMs or some other staff. >Second, I appreciate that you are on events committee, Easy answer. I'm only there (temporarily) to help the get the all-star games going as it is something I personally had a great time last year and something S7 players should not miss out on. >but where do you see the current state of the league, and what do you want it to look like after you are done being an admin? Honestly, the state of the league could be better. There has been a lot of shake ups recent and scandals--which, if it were to continue, could be devastating for the league. In my tenure as admin I'd like to bring stability to the league. Injecting a strong dose of openness and transparency should prevent anything like previous events from happening again. I want that part of the curtain torn down. Furthermore I'd like to focus on the longevity of the league, improving the new player experience and developing the community more.
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TFR | Dibes 🏆🏅 4/20/2022 12:13 AM
what are your thoughts and feelings on when and how to poll the community for decisions?
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OS | Spence 🏆
"As for other things in the league I would say as an Admin I shouldn't have a set position on anything. As I the Admin's role is to represent the community and to enact the direction the community wants to go. While I do have my own opinions about things, I don't think that should be able to supersede the will of the community." I would like to touch on this and hear your thoughts, because the exact opposite is WHY you should be running for admin. People will either elect you or not because your specific opinions on what is in the best interest of the league. Not having opinions is the exact opposite of what the Admin role is all about. While we listen to the community, they do not dictate any decisions that are/will be made. Admins are specifically elected by the people because those people believe the specific direction you have planned is in the best interest of the league. Fighting for your opinions here and, if you are elected, in admin meetings is the reason people will vote for you or not
Respectfully I disagree. Not to get political (lol @BS | Manifest) but running on set platforms is just a way to make 50% of the community angry at you. Sure you can have your opinions but sometimes you need to set aside your own ideas and biases and enact what the community clearly wants. Being set in a single opinion just queues up the inevitable conflict. I do have my own opinions and will share the specifics if asked, but I'm also pretty much down to discuss and change anything so long as it doesn't conflict with the ethos of the league.
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TFR | Dibes 🏆🏅
what are your thoughts and feelings on when and how to poll the community for decisions?
Polls and community input are not utilized enough. So we should be polling actual players and staff, excluding spectators and even former players. For a simple straw poll a discord react would be simple. For more in depth nuanced stuff could happen at town halls. Formal polls should be done in forms.
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TFR | Dibes 🏆🏅 4/20/2022 12:20 AM
How would you determine what decisions would be good to poll the community for vs being better decided by the admin team?
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TFR | Dibes 🏆🏅
How would you determine what decisions would be good to poll the community for vs being better decided by the admin team?
To add on. How would you determine whether or not something is better or worse for the league even if it is wanted by the community? For example, public mmr was something the community wanted but admins decided against it.
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TFR | Dibes 🏆🏅
How would you determine what decisions would be good to poll the community for vs being better decided by the admin team?
So clearly not everything can be put to a poll. That would make things way to laborious and slow things in the minutia of daily duties. The community doesn't care if the spreadsheet is reorganized. If you're asking where the line should be drawn, I'm not sure I have a complete answer for you. A lot of it is going to come down to the admin's gut. Its also something that can just be readily communicated in town halls and get the tenor of the situation to see if a poll should be utilized. I'm of the favor of more community input is better, even if it is a simple straw poll (discord react) it can help engage the community and encourage discourse.
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To add on. How would you determine whether or not something is better or worse for the league even if it is wanted by the community? For example, public mmr was something the community wanted but admins decided against it.
I mean I'll be straight up. I personally am a bit wary of public MMR and worried about the possibilities of abuse. But its clear that the community wants it so admins should make it happen and do their best to curb any abuse that may come from it. An admin serving their term doesn't really have the right to overrule the will of the community just based on their personal predilections. So to touch on the better/worse argument. Yeah it is often a tricky question because it tip toes on the line of subjectivity. But before any major change is made you can answer some basic questions such as: What is this rule trying to accomplish? Are there any other means to accomplish the same goal? Could any current players be affected by this? In a negative way? How would this rule affect new players? Just example questions that came to the top of my head that would help delineate if this was a good/bad thing. (edited)
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To add on. How would you determine whether or not something is better or worse for the league even if it is wanted by the community? For example, public mmr was something the community wanted but admins decided against it.
And just to tack on. #old-serious-suggestions exists for a reason. It is a great place for individuals to pitch ideas and the community to react and even modify them. I'd like more structure to serious suggestions. I would say having a log about it and then the admin's comment about it so we can see the progress of these inputs so they just don't float out in the ether (edited)
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A simple list where you have suggestions be categorized "Implemented" "Accepted" "Under-review" "Rejected". Or something to that affect
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OS | Cash 🏆 4/20/2022 12:38 AM
in a way this already exists with the trello.^
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When was the last update with trello?
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It could definitely be a decent platform but it actually has to be utilized.
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OS | Cash 🏆 4/20/2022 12:40 AM
I wanna say it hasnt been in a bit. and I 100 percent agree
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Kinda circles back to communication, which a lot of us are really into
12:40 AM
It seems regardless whoever gets elected there will be a push for better communication, which is dope.
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OS | Cash 🏆 4/20/2022 12:40 AM
very true
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Homer 🏆🏆 4/20/2022 1:07 AM
raasck asked tnoodle this so i wanna get the rest of the candidates' positions on this: do you think admins should continue to be allowed to be GMs?
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Homer 🏆🏆
raasck asked tnoodle this so i wanna get the rest of the candidates' positions on this: do you think admins should continue to be allowed to be GMs?
I understand why this happened. When the league was still relatively small there was probably not enough people to fill all the admin and GM roles. But I think we've grown out of it. There are enough people wanting to be GMs and Admins where we don't need to dual role. So no, they should not coexist. But spence (and cash if he wants to keep his franchise,) should be allowed to be grandfathered in. (edited)
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Homer 🏆🏆 4/20/2022 1:12 AM
👍 thanks
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PFA | xXx_legeNd_xXx_420 4/20/2022 10:15 AM
After reading your platform, I can clearly see that you are in favor of more transparency from the admins. I was also able to gather your stance on a few other topics from reading, and I have a question about your candidacy as a whole after doing so. Being an admin is a serious commitment. While I don’t doubt that being more transparent is something you will be doing as admin, it surely will not be the bulk of your workload. My question is, what else will you be doing if you are an admin? Would you be willing to step in and help out with stuff that doesn’t involve communication? How well would you be able to do so?
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PFA | xXx_legeNd_xXx_420
After reading your platform, I can clearly see that you are in favor of more transparency from the admins. I was also able to gather your stance on a few other topics from reading, and I have a question about your candidacy as a whole after doing so. Being an admin is a serious commitment. While I don’t doubt that being more transparent is something you will be doing as admin, it surely will not be the bulk of your workload. My question is, what else will you be doing if you are an admin? Would you be willing to step in and help out with stuff that doesn’t involve communication? How well would you be able to do so?
I don't think I have an inflated sense of what an admin does. Most of it is mundane and probably done in spreadsheets and fixing some minute problems that arise. Naturally I don't have a problem with that and being part of the admin team necessitates working on all sorts of things that aren't communication. The reason why I talk so much about transparency and communication is because it is important to me and I think is critical for the longevity of the league.
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ATO | Assass1n 4/20/2022 3:20 PM
is there anything (mainly the mod team, but all committees) you would be looking to strip away or make more transparent for the rest of the community?
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Could you define "strip away" more? Or provide an example?
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ATO | Assass1n 4/20/2022 3:32 PM
taking away a certain privilege or set of rules surrounding those in the committee
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Thanks for the clarification. I would say, no. Currently I do not see any massive issues with any committees that would warrant stripping certain privileges' or authority away from. I know there have been some complaints about certain committee's overstepping their bounds and that warrants a review but generally committees should operate rather independently without significant admin presence.
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oM
Thanks for the clarification. I would say, no. Currently I do not see any massive issues with any committees that would warrant stripping certain privileges' or authority away from. I know there have been some complaints about certain committee's overstepping their bounds and that warrants a review but generally committees should operate rather independently without significant admin presence.
What committees have you heard of overstepping?
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There are always complaints about the mod committee abusing the rules. While I personally do not see an issue I am aware that people do have some issues with that particular committee and their complaints should be addressed even if no action is taken or warranted.
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Even the admins themselves have caught some flak, which is something that should be looked into by some other party...e.g the arbiters...rather than be swept under the rug
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UPS | Raasck 4/20/2022 4:07 PM
What do you feel caused and how do you stop the massive turnover we saw in elevated staff positions this season?
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So there are definitely people here who know the nitty-gritty details of exactly what happened. I have chosen to not really dive into that and just have an outsiders perspective of what happened. Sure we could talk the leaks or we could talk about some people overreacting or misusing channels...whatever. I think whatever gets discussed my answer is going to circle back to the ethos of this league. What are we here for? CSC is a recreational league. We are all here to have fun playing counter-strike in an amateur structured environment. Frankly the problems that occurred can likely be traced back to losing sight of that goal. Trying to get a competitive advantage, taking a ffw too seriously, or any other issue is antithetical to our mutual goal. We, staff and the community, need to have the CSC mission in everything we do. We are here to play CS for fun. We are here for each other to make that happen.
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How do we prevent stuff like this happening again? We need to refocus...maybe we grew too much between S6-S7 and made us lose sight of what our purpose is here. But in everything we do from Mod actions to community events to creating the schedule needs to be done with a singular focus, to have fun playing CS.
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UPS | Raasck 4/20/2022 4:24 PM
Fun? CSGO? DOWN WITH THE FALSE PROPHET!! Jokes aside tho, thanks for your answer
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VIPVeral 🏆🏆 4/20/2022 9:07 PM
How would you go about handling behind the scenes of CSC that has been mostly protected knowledge since season one? Like numbers committee and transactions being some big ones?
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VIPVeral 🏆🏆
How would you go about handling behind the scenes of CSC that has been mostly protected knowledge since season one? Like numbers committee and transactions being some big ones?
There are some limited things that shouldn't be completely public. I think the formula for MMR should be kept behind closed doors as you don't want people doing specific actions to boost/sandbag their MMR. Maybe with Public MMR things will change a bit but at the moment it doesn't seem right to publish that information. With Public MMR I foresee that transactions will not need protect their information as much.
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oM
There are some limited things that shouldn't be completely public. I think the formula for MMR should be kept behind closed doors as you don't want people doing specific actions to boost/sandbag their MMR. Maybe with Public MMR things will change a bit but at the moment it doesn't seem right to publish that information. With Public MMR I foresee that transactions will not need protect their information as much.
do you have specific things that you think transactions wont need to protect?
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do you have specific things that you think transactions wont need to protect?
Well, MMR once it goes public lol. TMs are pretty heavily involved in MMR and observing the caps. Other than that, nothing comes directly to mind but I am sure there may be things that don't need to be 100% public information.
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Well, MMR once it goes public lol. TMs are pretty heavily involved in MMR and observing the caps. Other than that, nothing comes directly to mind but I am sure there may be things that don't need to be 100% public information.
If im being honest, tms arent exactly involved in mmr besides making sure transactions fit within mmr caps. All they do is observe. So deciding the caps, and where they are doesnt involve tms at all.... -Veral, numbers committee head (edited)
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If im being honest, tms arent exactly involved in mmr besides making sure transactions fit within mmr caps. All they do is observe. So deciding the caps, and where they are doesnt involve tms at all.... -Veral, numbers committee head (edited)
I suppose "unfettered access to MMR" would be a better way to phrase "heavily involved".
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oM
I suppose "unfettered access to MMR" would be a better way to phrase "heavily involved".
what exactly do you mean by, unfettered access?
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VIPVeral 🏆🏆 4/20/2022 9:37 PM
as in they always see it perhaps?
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At the current status quo TMs have access to view the MMR data which is not-public,
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unfettered, unrestricted
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oM
unfettered, unrestricted
they have some access, not unrestricted access.
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theirs a bigggg difference lmao
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Porkchop
they have some access, not unrestricted access.
They have MMR for every player plus cap for every tier. That's everything except for the formula. Seems pretty unrestricted to me
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they have some access, not unrestricted access.
UPS | Raasck 4/21/2022 8:40 AM
TMs have same access as GMs
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They have MMR for every player plus cap for every tier. That's everything except for the formula. Seems pretty unrestricted to me
HG | PUMPKINSPICELATTE 🏆 4/21/2022 1:54 PM
gms dont have the formula
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I mentioned earlier that the MMR formula is something that probably shouldn't be public at this time. So to clarify about the MMR discourse it was never including the MMR formula
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NAN | JermzPC 4/21/2022 3:54 PM
Any questions have already been answered just reply with already answered Question 1: We will be losing one of the more technical and hour-intensive admins this election time. How do you feel you can fill in their shoes/ fill the responsibilities left behind
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Question 2: I would like to hear a general number of hours each week you will be available to work on csc related topics. If possible please back this number up.
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Question 3: One of the questions on everyone’s mind constantly who isn’t an admin/mod is “why was x muted”, “what was the situation with y”, “why can’t z play a match” are you for or against public striking and how would you propose to your fellow admins/ mods how to implement this change?
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Question 4: As stated in some of your previous questions as I’m combing through, many times it’s been pointed out the lack of communication during the season between the admin team and the players. It has also been established that fuffy has been the main admin point of contact as shown in notices. Are you for having logging of admin talks/ potentially adding a secretary position tacked on to one of the admins or creating the position where a member sits in on an admin meeting, takes notes, and posts them somewhere public for people to see? This would omit any sensitive information.
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Question 5: Public mmr is a great example. By all accounts of the platforms, we saw last season's admin election public mmr should have passed given everyone’s stance on it. However, a person changed their mind and when the statement came out no public mmr the public had to pry from the admin team who flipped their vote. Are you in favor of making the voting lines public for admin deductions IE saying who voted in what way? Another add-on to this I will give is if you want to give all admins the option to give a small paragraph on why they voted the way they did may help too.
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Question 6: We have a wide variety of skills here in CSC and that has become apparent as we reach a 4th tier being added to the top of CSC. One thing that some high-level players have said in the past is that there isn’t much representation of elite/premier players who are admins or even numbers. All 5 of the candidates this time around are all challengers and in the event of noodles, not players. With this feeling of disconnect from the players, how do you hope to deal with some of the concerns brought up?
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Questions 7: Do you think that premier was a success or failure this season as a new tier? If you don’t want the premier to be taken away what steps do you think need to be done to improve premier?
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Question 8: Scheduling: one of the things that have been depressing me and some of my players personally was the playoff schedule. We were all hoping to be on the stream for a playoff game to be able to show our friends and family our game (don’t worry it was a blowout shouldn’t have tuned in anyway). On that day in particular there were 5 full games being played in 3 different tiers one of which being a final. This puts a massive strain on media to try to get as many games streamed while also making the players not streamed sad. What ideas do you have for playoffs scheduling to alleviate this?
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Question 9: We are seeing record numbers come in and play CSC. There are so many new faces in here that it’s hard to keep track of sometimes. As we reach this record number the problem of retention is something that always comes up. The off-season is boring and for many, it’s seen as a lack of games to play. 10 men are great and open up a lot of fun but aren’t as fun as say season matches. On top of this combines roll around and for many players who just signed a 2 season contract with their gm they may be put at the bottom of the queue to even be allowed to play combines (many admins would literally come down to queues and force signed agents in the back of the line to basically not be allowed to play). What ways do you see could be done to fix this and give signed players more to do during combines?
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Question 10: Do you think this league needs another round of recruitment at the magnitude of last season? Do you find the player base to be a good size or do you think more expansion is needed/wanted? Do you think with our current staff capacities we have enough resources to support a league double the size of our current one?
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Question 11: Follow up on the above. With a mass influx of people comes a mass influx of attention from potential hackers, cheaters, and trolls. We saw some players this season getting scammer messages from these people. Do you have any ideas on how to mitigate this issue?
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Question 12: Servers: many players reported that the servers this season had a variety of issues from ping to high loss/ lagging. How will you work with the technical committee to try to improve the servers for next season?
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Question 13: Matchday: many times the hour leading to matches/during matches is a stressful time for transaction managers, technical committee members, and gms/team captains scrambling to get their teams together. As a first season gm, I didn’t know how hard it was going to be to sometimes find a sub, deal with server issues, and on one occasion contact an admin because my transaction didn’t go through. What ideas might you have on helping lessen the game-day stress on these people?
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Question 14: Scenario: Public mmr is passed(shocker) and information is surfaced that a gm the previous season leaked mmr to a player on their team. This leak was minor in the sense that they didn’t have access to the entire sheet but something to the effect of “this is your mmr” or “we have this much mmr here’s who we can sign”. Would punishments be in order for these?
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Personal questions: Om: By accolades alone on this server and roles that you have held you are the most inexperienced out of the admin candidates. Do you think that this inexperience will make learning the ropes of an admin harder? In what ways have you yourself been preparing to become an admin?
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NAN | GREG0ROVITCH 🏆 4/21/2022 4:21 PM
Writing this question for all the candidates involved with a franchise. I have been very open about my opinion that any admin should be in no way tied to a franchise (GM, AGM, Player, whatever). There's been people I've talked to that share this opinion and people that disagree with it. Even though you most likely will not be abusing your admin status to benefit your franchise over others in any way, the concern is still absolutely there and a valid one (I mean, just look at a particular incident this past season...). So my question is, 1) how will you ensure that you are not actively or accidently doing this and 2) what do you think is the best way to offer transparency and assurance to the people in this matter? The point with question 2 being, ultimately you can't control what people think and they'll say things regardless of what you do or don't do, but the best assurance we've had so far about rumors and accusations of possible admin misconduct basically amounts to other admins/mods saying 'source: trust me bro' and I feel like that just fosters even more distance between us.
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NAN | JermzPC
Any questions have already been answered just reply with already answered Question 1: We will be losing one of the more technical and hour-intensive admins this election time. How do you feel you can fill in their shoes/ fill the responsibilities left behind
Ok, here we go. Question 1: I don't think I can be seen as a direct replacement for Raptor as I am not a technical computer type person...please don't ask me to write code lol. I think CSC as a whole is going to have to pick up his duties and keep the league going. Question 2: Obviously this isn't a full time job, I don't think anyone is putting 40 hours a week into CSC on a regular basis. But I am generally free a few hours after work and they days I'm off. Question 3: I've talked about this before and I'll just keep it brief here. I think moderation logs should be available but not so much that they are "announced" in a way that would promote toxicity. Currently in my mind they would be in a google document somewhere they if you want to find the information you can. Question 4: Answered before but I think something akin to a change-log and even opening a lot of committee meetings to the public (non-committee members are muted). Secretary is any interesting idea, I'll have to think about that. Question 5: You can read my intro statement...personally I don't believe Admins should have strong, immovable opinions about most issues as their duties should largely be enacting what the community wants in a pragmatic manner. Maybe instead of each person writing a statement you can do a Supreme court thing--one person from the dissenters does a write up. Question 6: The same thing could be said about lower-skilled players, noobs are also underrepresented in this election. But I hear this issue and largely seems to be a branch of the communication issues that already exists. Question 7: Premier wasn't as much of a success as the introduction of Elite was. Personally I think Premier was introduced a bit too soon. I don't want premier taken away but balancing it will probably have to wait to see how many signups and returning players we get for S8
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Question 8: Scheduling: one of the things that have been depressing me and some of my players personally was the playoff schedule. We were all hoping to be on the stream for a playoff game to be able to show our friends and family our game (don’t worry it was a blowout shouldn’t have tuned in anyway). On that day in particular there were 5 full games being played in 3 different tiers one of which being a final. This puts a massive strain on media to try to get as many games streamed while also making the players not streamed sad. What ideas do you have for playoffs scheduling to alleviate this?
Question 8: Scheduling needs to be done well in advance. Not only that but Media and Technical need to be involved pretty well too. Some of the issues stemmed from reschedules and that probably needs to be investigated as well. Question 9: Just as a general statement, it seems that there is a pattern of signed players going inward to their respective franchise servers to find games, which is ok. Its 100% ok for combines to be designated for new players...but just speaking from memory it is always helpful when there is atleast one or two signed players in each combine to help steer things in the right direction
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Question 8: Scheduling needs to be done well in advance. Not only that but Media and Technical need to be involved pretty well too. Some of the issues stemmed from reschedules and that probably needs to be investigated as well. Question 9: Just as a general statement, it seems that there is a pattern of signed players going inward to their respective franchise servers to find games, which is ok. Its 100% ok for combines to be designated for new players...but just speaking from memory it is always helpful when there is atleast one or two signed players in each combine to help steer things in the right direction
Ik your just answering this. But from a numbers perspective. New players in combines over signed players is vital
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Question 10: Nurses have something called "ratios" where they have a fixed number of patients per nurse. More patient, more nurses. Maybe we should consider staff ratios. Question 11: Honestly this just seems like a problem that in inherent with discord and running and open community. I think our mod team is aware of this and ready for the ban hammer. Personally in the case of cheating, scamming, trolls it should be ban first and then ask questions...if it was a false positive then we can always unban. Question 12: I'm not a technical person so I am not really qualified to speak on those reasons. If it is an issue of finances I know there are dozens and dozens of people ready to donate which may allow us to get the best servers possible. Question 13: Procrastination is always going to happen (@Supreme lol). Anyway, for issues with free-agents I think engaging them more may be a good idea, have something for FAs to do on match days to keep them invested in match days. Question 14: Difficult question. On the whole I'd say no, I don't feel you should be grandfathered into a punishment like that.
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NAN | JermzPC
Personal questions: Om: By accolades alone on this server and roles that you have held you are the most inexperienced out of the admin candidates. Do you think that this inexperience will make learning the ropes of an admin harder? In what ways have you yourself been preparing to become an admin?
Inexperienced is just another way to say unbiased ;). Consider me a moderate candidate without significant biases one way or the other. I'm not running to make things better for myself but rather just interested in giving back to the league that provides my with so much entertainment. In terms of prep, I've been prepping for 30+ years, my body is ready.
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NAN | GREG0ROVITCH 🏆
Writing this question for all the candidates involved with a franchise. I have been very open about my opinion that any admin should be in no way tied to a franchise (GM, AGM, Player, whatever). There's been people I've talked to that share this opinion and people that disagree with it. Even though you most likely will not be abusing your admin status to benefit your franchise over others in any way, the concern is still absolutely there and a valid one (I mean, just look at a particular incident this past season...). So my question is, 1) how will you ensure that you are not actively or accidently doing this and 2) what do you think is the best way to offer transparency and assurance to the people in this matter? The point with question 2 being, ultimately you can't control what people think and they'll say things regardless of what you do or don't do, but the best assurance we've had so far about rumors and accusations of possible admin misconduct basically amounts to other admins/mods saying 'source: trust me bro' and I feel like that just fosters even more distance between us.
So I've said it before that being and Admin and a GM should be mutually exclusive. Although I disagree with being a player, I think that banning admins from being signed on a team would seriously discourage engagement in the league. If an admin was to be on a team I think both the Admin and GM should have an understanding that the admins is "just another player". How do we enforce this? Tricky, you can't really (unless you spy on their every dm) and has to be done in good faith. There is definitely a degree of trust that be established between the community and staff. I hope in the future that basis trust will recover from past events and grow stronger.
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Ik your just answering this. But from a numbers perspective. New players in combines over signed players is vital
True, but I've been in combines where it was 10 new players and then concurrently there were 5 signed vs 5 new. IMO best to split those up so that there isn't 100% new combine. But all things being equal, new players should have the priority over signed.
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NAN | JermzPC
Any questions have already been answered just reply with already answered Question 1: We will be losing one of the more technical and hour-intensive admins this election time. How do you feel you can fill in their shoes/ fill the responsibilities left behind
Thanks for the indepth questions.
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True, but I've been in combines where it was 10 new players and then concurrently there were 5 signed vs 5 new. IMO best to split those up so that there isn't 100% new combine. But all things being equal, new players should have the priority over signed.
Homer 🏆🏆 4/21/2022 6:25 PM
I'd like to clarify about combines. The tech side of numbers committee (and the committee as a whole to a lesser extent) has discussed numerous potential changes to the overall structure of combines to give us better data for initial MMR placements. This includes what you've suggested about getting a couple active players into combine games to essentially help validate the formula against players already in the system. Nothing is set and stone and discussions will need to be had with admins (and rules committee for some potential changes). This wasn't directly stated in our latest meeting update in #community-announcements because words are hard and I wanted to keep things concise without delving into every detail for each discussion point.
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Cool, as CSC grows things are bound to change. Altering the new player experience in combines to make it more accessible while getting more useful data would be great
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Do you have a global mute on CSGO? If so, how come?
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I do. From a copy-pasta
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