Counter Strike Confederation

Why do you want to be a player representative for Rules Committee?

As a player for the past 6 seasons, I think that I can represent players' interests well on the committee, and have a good enough feel for how the league operates to help with other issues. As a player rep this past season, I feel that we were able to get a lot of good work done. A lot of these was in the interest of the players, too, including bringing server timers in line with faceit and other services, creating rules for play-ins, extending player protections in transactions, and overall improving the readability of the rulebook, to name a few. There's still more work to be done, of course, and that's why I'm running for reelection.

What is one element of being a player rep that you feel only YOU can bring to the table? (edited)

So do you think as a player rep you would be a useful Tool for the community as a whole and why should we feel that way? (edited)

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Massive +rep for zyra, probably the most active member of RC last season, and brought a lot of great idea to the table. Big help also with writing up the changed rules you see posted in the rulebook. Would be happy to have him again this season

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+rep Zyra. He was extremely active and proactive within RC last season. Was not afraid to challenge anything brought up and did it in a manner that was respectful and thorough. Definitely put in the work.

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2:41 PM

@FA | ZyraReflex (pinging all candidates, shouldve done this sooner sorry)

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+rep Zyra. He was extremely active and proactive within RC last season. Was not afraid to challenge anything brought up and did it in a manner that was respectful and thorough. Definitely put in the work.

Second this. Zyra was probably second only to Yeti in his diligence and attentiveness on RC.

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If there was any spot that zyras excelled in it was RC. Plus rep from me

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SAV | Antonio Juanson

What is one element of being a player rep that you feel only YOU can bring to the table? (edited)

I think one thing would be my experience. Other candidates have been around for about as long as I have, but I mean my specific experience of being a part of CSC for the last 2 and a bit years. I've been a player for that whole time, so I've seen how the player experience has changed since then; I've also been part of lots of different franchises (4-6, depending on how you count); besides my time as a signed player, I've spent 3 seasons as an FA in some capacity (nearly all of S5, first half of S7, second half of S8). What all that bouncing around between teams, I've also gotten to know a lot of different types of players, whether they were on my team/franchise, someone I was subbing for, people I just pugged with, etc. What I mean by all this is that I think I have a good grasp on the player experience throughout the league from both my own personal experiences and from what others have said to me. With that being said, I certainly have gaps in that knowledge, including things like the problems in Premier, and I'm always willing to listen to new perspectives from players of any tier or signed status.

3:47 PM

I also think my experience in RC last season helped me learn a lot more about a league that I thought I knew inside and out, and I want to put that knowledge to use in another term.

3:48 PM

(I'll be able to respond to other questions later tonight when I'm back at my desktop)

+rep zyra, I wasn’t personally in RC but felt like he represented RC very well in SSD and league discussion, my full trust is in him to continue his work in Rules.

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+rep zyra I hate the guy but he was extremely active in RC last season in driving a lot of discussions :)

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+rep Zyra. he was the most active player rep in RC and was responsible for crafting several rules that passed this season. -rep for semicolon usage

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you will delete my semicolons over my dead body

Ahhhh classic zyra kermitlove

As a player rep you would be speaking for the players correct? As opinionated as you are Zyra, what would you do in a situation where the majority of players would want something and you personally disagree with it. How would you represent the players in that situation?

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FA | traditions 🏆

As a player rep you would be speaking for the players correct? As opinionated as you are Zyra, what would you do in a situation where the majority of players would want something and you personally disagree with it. How would you represent the players in that situation?

first of all, I think I should clarify something: I'm not nearly as opinionated as something like #esports might have you believe. anyway, so far, there haven't been any cases of me disagreeing with the general playerbase on rules; in some cases, the rules are pretty transparently pro-player (e.g. extending player protections w.r.t. transactions); with rules that might be more contentious, I try to get a gauge of player opinions while RC is still deliberating. a good example from last season might be keeper limits: RC wasn't really coming to a consensus, and someone else brought it up in either SSD or league discussion. I took that opportunity to explain to the general public what we'd be talking about, some reasoning from either side, different solutions that had been brought up, etc., and I think it gave me some insight into what others thought about it. besides these major public discussions, though, I also try to talk to players privately about whatever the current RC issue is. like I said earlier, I'm not always perfect in knowing what the players want, so I'm always open to other perspectives. if players see RC start discussion on something in #official-changes , I want them to make their opinions known to me and other player reps. we try our best with what we know, but we don't know everything.

4:37 PM

this is what I mean by notices in #official-changes btw

I just wanted to reiterate traditions' question because I don't think you actually answered it. IF the player consensus were to go against your personal beliefs on a given issue, would you go against your own beliefs to represent the wishes of the player base at large?

well my point was really that I try not to make decisions on contentious issues without talking to a bunch of players about it ahead of time and taking their opinions into account. it's hard to say how I'd deal with something like that, especially given the fact that I can't really imagine a scenario in which that'd happen. my general sense is that I'd only vote against what the broader player population wants if I thought their choice would have a catastrophic impact on the health of the league; at the same time, doing something that's seriously unpopular among players could also hurt the league by that fact alone, so it's hard to say.

5:53 PM

tldr I can't really imagine any scenario where I'd vote against the interests/desires of the playerbase. (edited)

So from discussions during last season it seems that just about everyone is in agreement that premier as a tier was and is in very serious trouble. Since you were a player rep last season, I'd like to ask what exactly it was you did last season to improve premier? What measurable and concrete steps were taken with you (partly) at the helm?

Rules committee is not in charge of tier schedules or FA conversions. Those are both admin and numbers systems that are on the to-do list to look at for the next season. Rules committee does not set default days or anything similar and at best can help facilitate a change for admins or forward ideas during the season.

+rep Zyra, super happy with what you've done in your spot, and hope to see you keep it for another season prayge

HG | Dacder

So from discussions during last season it seems that just about everyone is in agreement that premier as a tier was and is in very serious trouble. Since you were a player rep last season, I'd like to ask what exactly it was you did last season to improve premier? What measurable and concrete steps were taken with you (partly) at the helm?

I'll get back to this and the other unanswered question in a few hrs when I'm back at my desktop

I don't have any questions for Zyra from where I'm at having seen his work in RC. But huge +rep, have seen him take time to figure out how issues occur and best ways to actually look at resolving them (like keeper limits being introduced) I'm confident that we'll get improvements structurally with the rules as well as other things going forward

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FA | ZyraReflex

well my point was really that I try not to make decisions on contentious issues without talking to a bunch of players about it ahead of time and taking their opinions into account. it's hard to say how I'd deal with something like that, especially given the fact that I can't really imagine a scenario in which that'd happen. my general sense is that I'd only vote against what the broader player population wants if I thought their choice would have a catastrophic impact on the health of the league; at the same time, doing something that's seriously unpopular among players could also hurt the league by that fact alone, so it's hard to say.

Just going to reiterate (and add to) my tldr here since I think it answered the question(s) better than anything else I wrote: I can't really imagine any scenario where I'd vote against the interests/desires of the playerbase, irrespective of my own thoughts.

+rep zyra, seemed to do a great job in RC over his last term.

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UPS | ComradSniper 🏆🏆

So do you think as a player rep you would be a useful Tool for the community as a whole and why should we feel that way? (edited)

Is this going to be answered?

7:52 PM

Why should we re elect you given how much of a headache you bare on the community? You often stand on hills for the pure intention of seeking attention and not agreeing with others, have you changed your ways?

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FA | kowalskey 🏆🏆

Why should we re elect you given how much of a headache you bare on the community? You often stand on hills for the pure intention of seeking attention and not agreeing with others, have you changed your ways?

This has never happened in RC everything zyra says in RC discussions is constructive and for the betterment of CSC players.

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NAN | jawa 🏆

This has never happened in RC everything zyra says in RC discussions is constructive and for the betterment of CSC players.

While I believe you I think his point is more towards why should he vote for someone to be his player rep when that person is extremely abrasive to a large amount of the community and often talks down to people kowalskey being one of them

UPS | ComradSniper 🏆🏆

While I believe you I think his point is more towards why should he vote for someone to be his player rep when that person is extremely abrasive to a large amount of the community and often talks down to people kowalskey being one of them

why should anyone have voted for you for admin when you're extremely toxic to the point of being banned from your collegiate esports discord? (edited)

FA | kowalskey 🏆🏆

Is this going to be answered?

https://discord.com/channels/644377562516029460/1097228796618346646/1097283803401175140 I specifically said that I'd get back to it in a few hours. sorry that I don't have the ability to respond to people in player rep election channels while operating a vehicle.

FA | ZyraReflex

why should anyone have voted for you for admin when you're extremely toxic to the point of being banned from your collegiate esports discord? (edited)

I didn't want to bring this up during elections for fear of looking like I'm just being petty; I can come off as dismissive towards certain people at times, this is true. like I said, I'm not perfect, and am always trying to better myself; when people are consistently trolls, however, I do sometimes find myself lacking patience.

10:24 PM

again, it's something I'm trying to work on, but when people come into this channel and ask antagonizing/bad faith questions (like https://discord.com/channels/644377562516029460/1097228796618346646/1097229493380321400 , where you capitalize Tool and have two of your friends react with a relevant emote) I have a hard time taking them seriously.

Lets keep it civil guys, there's no need for the aggression. (edited)

FA | ZyraReflex

again, it's something I'm trying to work on, but when people come into this channel and ask antagonizing/bad faith questions (like https://discord.com/channels/644377562516029460/1097228796618346646/1097229493380321400 , where you capitalize Tool and have two of your friends react with a relevant emote) I have a hard time taking them seriously.

To start I will say I did not talk to them about that. But it was a bit of a joke about how you called me a "fucking tool" in serious discussion while also being a decently relevant feeder question also what he said about me being banned is true although if you'd like to go down that path I know of 6 players who would agree you were as much of a negative force in that interaction as I was. I can also confidently say I haven't made that kind of mistake again and people in this discord who are my friends would agree. I'll have you know no matter how much I dislike you I actually do think you probably are a great rules committee member and I will be voting you in as it seems to fit you however, I do think other people who do not separate their opinions of you from their vote based on your ability to do the job deserve to be answered and not ignored or ridiculed for having reservations or negative opinions remember you are the one who put yourself in front of a public entity and asked to be approved. Also please do not lie about not stating that during my run I heard from many people that you were telling basically anyone that would listen, which btw is fine but based on what I have heard you did misrepresent me a bit in your retellings which was obviously not particularly appreciated.

HG | Dacder

So from discussions during last season it seems that just about everyone is in agreement that premier as a tier was and is in very serious trouble. Since you were a player rep last season, I'd like to ask what exactly it was you did last season to improve premier? What measurable and concrete steps were taken with you (partly) at the helm?

like firehawk said, there are a lot of issues with premier; not all of which can be solved by RC. some things we have discussed are PFA -> FA things, which, as has been discussed, is really an admin/numbers thing; other things like shifting tier lines are also up to numbers; scheduling is something that I'm not entirely clear on, but we can definitely bring it up. what RC can do, and something that I did at least a few times last season, is raise concerns and ask whether they're in our jurisdiction. there have been some interesting conversations about premier fixes in league discussion or ssd this season, but there have also been some where people are just restating what are already known problems.

11:13 PM

I know it's not satisfying to hear that RC just doesn't have the jurisdiction to do a lot of these fixes, but that's how it is. We've definitely brought up issues with premier in our internal discussions, but, again, a lot of the time it ends with "that's not really something RC does". I do agree that we should look into the tier more, though, for sure; just because the highest skill tier is pretty much always the hardest to manage properly doesn't mean we can just shrug our shoulders and accept the status quo.

UPS | ComradSniper 🏆🏆

So do you think as a player rep you would be a useful Tool for the community as a whole and why should we feel that way? (edited)

yes, I think I can definitely do my part to help the CSC community at large from a player rep position. as for why, I think my response to antonio's question covers that pretty well: https://discord.com/channels/644377562516029460/1097228796618346646/1097246845790597240 (edited)

Zyra, within the serious suggestions discussion channel you very oftentimes will post off-topic nonsense and purposefully derail discussion. You also often times simply reply "don't care". Do you think that is an appropriate use of the SSD channel as a player rep, given that it's where the majority of player suggestions are actually posted and discussed publicly?

HG | Dacder

Zyra, within the serious suggestions discussion channel you very oftentimes will post off-topic nonsense and purposefully derail discussion. You also often times simply reply "don't care". Do you think that is an appropriate use of the SSD channel as a player rep, given that it's where the majority of player suggestions are actually posted and discussed publicly?

I think this is a valid concern; although I obviously don't explicitly state it, I sometimes respond along those lines when I think the conversation has already been derailed or is otherwise entirely non-constructive. I took a look back in SSD and found 3 instances of me replying with something along the lines of "don't care," so I think it's somewhat unfair to say that I do it often; nevertheless, I can go through each one. -As for two of them, in the first case I said something like "don't care" in response to a discussion on random vs elo selection for 10 mans captains, which had been going on for several hours at that point without making any headway. In the other, the argument was about how the PFA to FA conversion was done in premier; the conversation was going in circles between staff/gms and players, where neither side seemed to be completely participating in good faith. The latter was also at 2:30 am, so, sure, some poor judgement on my part as far as engaging in any sort of conversation when I'm exhausted. -I said "who cares" in response to a player arguing with an admin about the details of a strike they got in the middle of a conversation about something else entirely. Like I've said before, I'm not perfect in interacting with the community, and the fact that I come off as unnecessarily dismissive is one particular thing I'm trying to work on. At the same time, I don't think it's entirely fair to say that I "oftentimes will post off-topic nonsense" and/or "purposefully derail discussion" in SSD given how often it's actually happened.

ah shit meant to start that response with this but whatever SSD is definitely an important place for discussion about changes in the league, but as anyone who's engaged with it at length knows, it has an unfortunate tendency to devolve into meaningless shouting, completely deviate from the initial suggestion, etc., and in these cases, the best thing to do is probably revisit the suggestion later. (edited)

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+rep zyra. While he can come off as rude and abrasive from time to time, he cares about this league and only wants the best for it. While I may not always agree with what zyra says, I feel it is important to have varying opinions in the rules committee so proposals are properly discussed before voting. I am confident that zyra would vote for what he feels is the right choice after discussions and not just vote with the majority.

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since when did I become the establishment candidate wtf

Kinda hard to not be when you did a top tier job last season shrug

I haven't seen the RC discussions, but based on public discussions you dont argue to be difficult. You argue to at the very least gain an understanding of whatever is being discussed, and that's super important to me in a RC candidate

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i have seen the RC discussions. zyra seems to want to actually be a voice for the players and within RC takes that extremely seriously. +rep (note, am not current red name) (edited)

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FA | ZyraReflex

since when did I become the establishment candidate wtf

You die a hero or live long enough to become the establishment.

wrong one shit

1:40 PM

I am the law

1:43 PM

I love the dark knight

1:44 PM

The part where Batman says in his batman voice. I AM THE LAW

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was gonna do the regular two face gif but a little gruesome